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Post by greenhert on Aug 22, 2023 14:34:35 GMT
For some of these posts I wish we had a "laugh" button (like on Facebook) rather than simply a "like" button.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 22, 2023 14:34:58 GMT
John Marek joined the Conservatives in 2010 having previously been a Labour/Indi/Forward Wales MP and AM between 1983 and 2007.
Wikipedia says he left in 2016, but doesn’t give a source.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 22, 2023 14:39:03 GMT
He endorse the Tories in 1979 didn't he? yes. He said that "Maggie Thatcher is closer to my kind of socialism than Jim Callaghan". What Margaret Thatcher made of this is not known.  |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 22, 2023 14:40:17 GMT
Medway MP Bob Marshall-Andrews Lab to LD I have known him since childhood & when I most recently bumped into him I asked if he was still in the Lib Dems. "Yes, dear boy" he replied. "Party of the future." I don't think his wife Gill has joined him in this defection When you bumped into him did you beurmp his head(to misquote Peter Sellers)? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 22, 2023 14:47:21 GMT
Wikipedia says he left in 2016, but doesn’t give a source. Wikipedia has its uses, but one area on which it is not reliable is party membership. |
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Post by batman on Aug 22, 2023 15:27:03 GMT
I have known him since childhood & when I most recently bumped into him I asked if he was still in the Lib Dems. "Yes, dear boy" he replied. "Party of the future." I don't think his wife Gill has joined him in this defection When you bumped into him did you beurmp his head(to misquote Peter Sellers)? I was not tempted to attack him physically. However I thought he was being a prat, which he sometimes was when he was a member of my party too in more than one setting. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 22, 2023 15:44:59 GMT
Medway MP Bob Marshall-Andrews Lab to LD I have known him since childhood & when I most recently bumped into him I asked if he was still in the Lib Dems. "Yes, dear boy" he replied. "Party of the future." I don't think his wife Gill has joined him in this defection I saw Bob Marshall-Andrews in Croydon several years ago. I was walking along the pavement. In the distance I saw a vaguely-old(ish), bulky-shaped man walking towards me, and I vaguely thought to myself "Oh, he looks a bit like Bob Marshall-Andrews". Several seconds later, as he got closer, I realised he *was* Bob Marshall-Andrews. We passed each other but didn't speak or interact otherwise. |
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Post by batman on Aug 22, 2023 16:42:54 GMT
Yes he is not slim in build.
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Post by iang on Aug 22, 2023 18:31:58 GMT
As a general rule, I think most of the Conservatives who defected to us either directly or via Change UK are still with us, whereas most of the Labour MPs who joined us have rejoined Labour
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Post by michaelarden on Aug 22, 2023 19:12:11 GMT
Andrew McKinley - Labour councillor in Tolworth, Kingston in the 70s, Labour MP in Thurrock 97-?? Then reemerged as short lived Lib Dem councillor in Chessington 21-22.
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Post by batman on Aug 22, 2023 19:46:51 GMT
McKinlay retired from parliament in 2010. Had he stood for re-election, he very likely would have got in by the skin of his teeth as it was very close.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 22, 2023 19:57:25 GMT
McKinlay retired from parliament in 2010. Had he stood for re-election, he very likely would have got in by the skin of his teeth as it was very close. He would’ve probably held in 15 and 17 too. Which would’ve rather changed the narrative around the constituency in the media as being an exceptional 2019 Tory gain of a ‘safe labour seat’ (sic) |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 23, 2023 11:45:26 GMT
Thurrock is a weird seat. It was Labour in 83 but a Tory gains in 87
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Post by stb12 on Aug 23, 2023 14:04:38 GMT
Although of course Tim Aker had a somewhat significant affect there in 2015 and 2017
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 23, 2023 14:11:10 GMT
Thurrock is a weird seat. It was Labour in 83 but a Tory gains in 87 Mind you there were also Lab holds in 1983 like Ipswich and Battersea that became Tory gains in 1983 |
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Post by batman on Aug 23, 2023 15:00:24 GMT
There must be a lot of former Labour MPs who joined the SDP in the 1980s after leaving parliament. 3 that come to mind are Michael Barnes (Brentford & Chiswick, 1966-1974), Willie Hannan (Glasgow Maryhill, 1945-1970) and Alan Lee Williams (Hornchurch,1966-1970 and 1974-1979). Barnes was an early reconvert to Labour & Williams I know rejoined Labour too.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 23, 2023 15:08:08 GMT
There must be a lot of former Labour MPs who joined the SDP in the 1980s after leaving parliament. 3 that come to mind are Michael Barnes (Brentford & Chiswick, 1966-1974), Willie Hannan (Glasgow Maryhill, 1945-1970) and Alan Lee Williams (Hornchurch,1966-1970 and 1974-1979). Barnes was an early reconvert to Labour & Williams I know rejoined Labour too. See Appendix 1 in the Crewe and King book. In addition to those mentioned above: Austen Albu (Edmonton 1948-74) Herbert Bowden (Leicester South West 1945-67) George Brown (Belper 1945-70) Elaine Burton (Coventry South 1950-59) Edmund Dell (Birkenhead 1945-79) John Diamond (Manchester Blackley 1945-51, Gloucester 1957-70) William Edwards (Merioneth 1966-74) Hugh Gray (Yarmouth 1966-70) Gwynoro Jones (Carmarthen 1970-74) Dick Leonard (Romford 1970-74) Evan Luard (Oxford 1966-70, 1974-79) Roderick MacFarquhar (Belper 1974-79) David Marquand (Ashfield 1966-77) Eric Moonman (Billericay 1966-70, Basildon 1974-79) Francis Noel-Baker (Brentford and Chiswick 1945-50, Swindon 1955-69) Derek Page (King's Lynn 1964-70) Colin Phipps (Dudley West 1974-79) Paul Rose (Manchester Blackley 1964-79) Hartley Shawcross (St Helens 1945-58) John Stonehouse (Wednesbury 1957-74, Walsall North 1974-76) Dick Taverne (Lincoln 1962-74) Michael Ward (Peterborough 1974-79) John Watkinson (West Gloucestershire 1974-79) William Wells (Walsall 1945-55, Walsall North 1955-74) Ian Winterbottom (Nottingham Central 1950-55) |
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Post by batman on Aug 23, 2023 15:43:26 GMT
And John Roper who was a Labour MP when he defected to the SDP later joined the Conservatives.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 23, 2023 16:30:25 GMT
And John Roper who was a Labour MP when he defected to the SDP later joined the Conservatives. I don't think he did - he became Lord Roper and a Liberal Democrat peer. His wife, Hope Roper, stayed in Labour and was a member of the same branch as me. It was John Horam who became a Conservative, and then a Conservative MP. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Aug 23, 2023 17:53:28 GMT
Stephen Dorrell joined the Liberal Democrats and stood for the Party in Buckingham at the 2019 General Election.
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