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Post by BossMan on Aug 11, 2023 16:33:54 GMT
Incumbent- Tracy Brabin, Labour and Cooperative
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Post by kvasir on Aug 15, 2023 18:20:47 GMT
Repost.
Across the five Metropolitan Districts that make up the Combined Authority of West Yorkshire, there were 520,817 legally cast votes last election. The overall totals for each party are shown below. Note, mistakes are possible, if a double vacancy occurred, the highest vote share for each party was used.
Labour Party*- 237,774 (45.65%) Conservative Party- 129,874 (24.94%) Green Party- 65,145 (12.51%) Liberal Democrats- 53,670 (10.30%) Independents- 10,029 (1.93%) Yorkshire Party- 6,104 (1.17%) Morley Borough Independent- 4,542 (0.87%) Wakefield District Independents- 3,979 (0.76%) Garforth and Swillington Independents - 3,428 (0.66%) Social Democratic Party- 2,796 (0.54%) Reform UK- 1,864 (0.36%) Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition- 715 (0.14%) Freedom Alliance- 366 (0.07%) Alliance for Green Socialism- 183 (0.04%) Breakthrough Party- 156 (0.03%) British Democratic Party- 140 (0.03%) Northern Independence Party- 52 (0.01%)
These results obviously stand Tracy Brabin and the Labour Party in good stead if she decides to stand for re-election. In terms of the actual number of councillors in the five Metropolitan Districts, I believe that the numbers look like this:
Labour Party*- 233 (62.63%) Conservative Party- 74 (19.89%) Liberal Democrats- 28 (7.53%) Green Party- 16 (4.30%) Independents- 8 (2.15%) Morley Borough Independent- 6 (1.61%) Garforth and Swillington Independents- 3 (0.81%) Wakefield District Independents- 2 (0.54%) Social Democratic Party- 2 (0.54%)
Any inaccuracies, or mistakes noticed please let me know.
*Note that Labour Party includes people also standing for the Co-operative Party
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 16, 2023 7:13:39 GMT
did you do the numbers for councillors elected atbthe last election, ie the ones represented by the votes listed?
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 16, 2023 8:49:35 GMT
No one got elected as a Wakefield District Independent.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 16, 2023 10:31:11 GMT
Not this year, but don't the above numbers refer to the total number of councillors?
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 16, 2023 11:22:26 GMT
Yes, I was idly comparing the %votes with the %councillors then remembered that the votes in the other election years will have been (if not a lot) different, hence my question
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Aug 16, 2023 11:23:56 GMT
Not this year, but don't the above numbers refer to the total number of councillors? It is the total number of councillors, but mark is also correct that none were elected under that banner, they have joined the group having been elected using other labels.
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Post by kvasir on Aug 16, 2023 12:14:06 GMT
Indeed, and just to be clear, those are the current number of councillors across the five Metropolitan Boroughs, not those elected either just this cycle or the last complete set of three.
I included the total councillor numbers as an indication of current institutional strength of the parties in the county. Sorry if I generated any confusion.
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Post by swanarcadian on Aug 16, 2023 17:08:57 GMT
Voting in this contest isn’t very exciting because I cast my ballot knowing I’m on the losing side, but it did afford me my only experiences of the opportunity to use a second preference vote. Until now anyway. I guess the Conservatives could win this once in a blue moon, in the right circumstances. The party just managed to top the poll in this county in the 1983 GE.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 18, 2023 15:53:14 GMT
That was also, in conjunction with the West Mids Mayoral and PCC, my first and probably only ever opportunity to use the second preference box. But I voted for Labour in both so it would not have had an impact. I am glad we are going to use the traditional FPTP going forward.
I think the Tories could absolutely win this post one day. Look at the West Midlands and Street.
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Post by European Lefty on Aug 18, 2023 18:22:05 GMT
They will need a favourable national environment, to be in opposition, and a very strong candidate (preferably not from Leeds) I expect
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 18, 2023 19:50:26 GMT
That was also, in conjunction with the West Mids Mayoral and PCC, my first and probably only ever opportunity to use the second preference box. But I voted for Labour in both so it would not have had an impact. I am glad we are going to use the traditional FPTP going forward. I think the Tories could absolutely win this post one day. Look at the West Midlands and Street. I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors.
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 18, 2023 20:04:00 GMT
That was also, in conjunction with the West Mids Mayoral and PCC, my first and probably only ever opportunity to use the second preference box. But I voted for Labour in both so it would not have had an impact. I am glad we are going to use the traditional FPTP going forward. I think the Tories could absolutely win this post one day. Look at the West Midlands and Street. I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. It was over complicated and very rarely ever changed a result
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 18, 2023 20:26:00 GMT
I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. It was over complicated and very rarely ever changed a result It didn't have to be very often. It just had to be often enough to make a difference, and it did from time to time. I'd have preferred a full AV election, but anything was better than simple plurality where more than likely the winner has a substantial majority of votes against them.
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 18, 2023 20:26:31 GMT
I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. It was over complicated and very rarely ever changed a result of all the voting systems SV was probably one of the least complicated and if you're wanting a different voting system because you're trying to change the result then that's a bad reason. There are plenty of problems with SV but switching to FPTP is no solution.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 18, 2023 21:52:32 GMT
It was over complicated and very rarely ever changed a result of all the voting systems SV was probably one of the least complicated and if you're wanting a different voting system because you're trying to change the result then that's a bad reason. There are plenty of problems with SV but switching to FPTP is no solution. My experience of explaining SV to people (every time there is an election for Mayor of London) is that it is more c9mplicated to explain than AV. It doesn’t work as it was intended to, because the vast majority of ordinary people just don’t understand how the second preference system works, or what they do. When the Mayoral elections were first introduced, I wanted them to be AV, but accepted SV as a lesser version of AV. Now I think that SV is far worse than AV and far worse than FPTP, and I’m glad it’s going. There are other principled and logical reasons for opposing AV anyway, as well as the practical reasons.
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Post by maxque on Aug 18, 2023 22:07:38 GMT
I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. It was over complicated and very rarely ever changed a result Oh boy. Should we abolish HMRC self-assessments too? They are overly complicated too.
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Post by markgoodair on Aug 18, 2023 22:41:30 GMT
That was also, in conjunction with the West Mids Mayoral and PCC, my first and probably only ever opportunity to use the second preference box. But I voted for Labour in both so it would not have had an impact. I am glad we are going to use the traditional FPTP going forward. I think the Tories could absolutely win this post one day. Look at the West Midlands and Street. I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. The continued use of FPTP just proves how backward and corrupt this country really is.
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Post by batman on Aug 18, 2023 23:02:11 GMT
That's a point of view, and my gradually increasing acceptance of PR tends to be set back by such comments. Corrupt? Come off it. The candidate with the most votes wins under FPTP.
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 18, 2023 23:07:06 GMT
I must say I'm not sure you're in the majority there. Yet to meet anyone who has told me their pleased FPTP is back for mayors. The continued use of FPTP just proves how backward and corrupt this country really is. Yes. Good isn't it? One of the few really good things about British politics left to me.
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