john07
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Post by john07 on Apr 23, 2024 20:50:49 GMT
The regions have been around for nearly sixty years long before the European Parliament elections. They were established initially as part of the Regional Policy initiative under George Brown and the Department of Economic Affairs. There were Regional Economic Planning Councils and Regional Economic Planning Boards. The former were talk shops with local worthies and the latter were composed of civil servants.
The idea was revived under Blair following Scottish and Welsh devolution (plus similar for Greater London) to do the same for the English Regions. This was strangled at birth when the referendum for the North End failed to deliver much support.
The regions may have shifted in shape in line with local government boundaries and with the transfer of Cumbria from the North to the North West. They are still retained for statistical reasons and for parliamentary seat redistribution. The Regions are not going to disappear .
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Apr 23, 2024 21:45:41 GMT
Better names could at least be found that reflect our history and heritage. West Wessex, East Wessex, West Mercia, East Mercia, East Anglia, West Northumbria, East Northumbria.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 24, 2024 8:47:07 GMT
Better names could at least be found that reflect our history and heritage. West Wessex, East Wessex, West Mercia, East Mercia, East Anglia, West Northumbria, East Northumbria. Those two sentences would seem to be the wrong way round.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 24, 2024 11:45:42 GMT
I can see the case for the NE as "Northumbria", the SW as "Wessex", the WM as "Mercia" - and the Eastern region as East Anglia as was indeed formerly the case. Apart from that, leave well alone. Unless you want to rename the NW as Granadaland
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European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 24, 2024 15:50:03 GMT
Though most of the SW never was and doesn't identify with Wessex. I think we should at least consider redrawing the regions to make them smaller, and renaming them.
Incidentally, the boundaries of the old Wessex and the area where you can find lardy cake in the local bakery are eerily similar
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Post by Yaffles on Apr 24, 2024 15:53:55 GMT
Though most of the SW never was and doesn't identify with Wessex. I think we should at least consider redrawing the regions to make them smaller, and renaming them. Incidentally, the boundaries of the old Wessex and the area where you can find lardy cake in the local bakery are eerily similar hmmmm lardy cake.... very fond childhood memories.
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 25, 2024 10:07:44 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 25, 2024 10:31:26 GMT
I'm not convinced the changes tell us anything about the state of the race, as opposed to the reliability of R&W.
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Post by adlai52 on Apr 25, 2024 10:42:35 GMT
Notable that this poll prompted by candidate name - so suggests that the earlier poll was the outlier.
Both this and Savanta suggesting a modest Labour lead in the mayoral poll.
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Post by batman on Apr 25, 2024 10:58:56 GMT
Notable that this poll prompted by candidate name - so suggests that the earlier poll was the outlier. Both this and Savanta suggesting a modest Labour lead in the mayoral poll. I was under the impression that their previous one did also
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 25, 2024 12:11:49 GMT
Yes, if it indeed didn't that was pretty poor and - given that it is a mayoral contest - rendered the poll next to pointless.
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Post by gaitskellite on Apr 25, 2024 17:28:32 GMT
R & W's second poll almost identical to the updated Savanta numbers
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Apr 25, 2024 19:01:45 GMT
5% ahead with the pv beginning to flow- not a bad position to be in.
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bd
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Post by bd on Apr 27, 2024 9:06:29 GMT
Last time R&W slightly underestimated both the Labour and Tory first round vote share but had the margin between them correct. Reform on 4% feels low and whatever else happens, if they poll that low it will be some comfort for the Tories. Street’s efforts to put himself above his party is having some impact on the doorstep and there will be otherwise Labour voters voting for him. There’s also a lot more strength in the Labour vote for the most part despite some loss of support around the Gaza conflict.
One thing that strikes me is that it is quite a challenge to run an election campaign across such a large constituency and it actually lends itself better to the type of campaign the Tories run these days. A largely invisible digital and direct mail operation is easier to coordinate across 7 local authorities than the ground game that Labour is still able to run. In every other election local parties run their elections with a fair amount of autonomy, even in the general election particularly if it is not a target seat. We have had a fair number of these region wide elections now - the first London Mayoral election was 24 years ago - but I am not sure that parties are fully used to how to approach them effectively. For the most part these elections are two horse races between Labour and Tories so they are the only ones that need a campaign to deliver a win. I don’t think the Tories advantage of running an office based campaign will necessarily save them this time but I think it gives them a percentage point or two they wouldn’t otherwise have. That is not to say that ground games can’t work they just need a lot more coordination.
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andrea
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Post by andrea on Apr 27, 2024 16:54:23 GMT
The social media activity of the Labour candidate in the last week are
a video with Zarah Sultana talking about free school meals Visiting "two former derelict sites" with Rachel Reeves Getting a campaign visit from Anas Sarwar a video with Jess Philipps talking Bus line 11
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Post by hullenedge on Apr 28, 2024 7:48:22 GMT
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Post by batman on Apr 28, 2024 7:57:20 GMT
1% for the Lib Dems would be quite something.
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Post by woollyliberal on Apr 28, 2024 8:29:35 GMT
Previous polls had the Lib Dems on 7% or similar. There are two possibilities. Either 6 out of 7 voters have switched to back Street or Parker, or this poll is wide of the mark. It is possible that the earlier polls showing street losing has changed people's VI. This is worth thinking about. Does polling change VI as much as it measures it?
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Post by batman on Apr 28, 2024 8:49:16 GMT
I don't tend to set much store by this company's polls TBH. Not saying they're invalid or anything, but I tend to trust others more
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 28, 2024 8:57:59 GMT
Previous polls had the Lib Dems on 7% or similar. There are two possibilities. Either 6 out of 7 voters have switched to back Street or Parker, or this poll is wide of the mark. It is possible that the earlier polls showing street losing has changed people's VI. This is worth thinking about. Does polling change VI as much as it measures it? But support for Street here is about the same as in some previous polls - its Labour that is lower (and, perhaps, implausibly low)
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