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Apr 12, 2024 22:28:37 GMT
Post by European Lefty on Apr 12, 2024 22:28:37 GMT
Seen my first poster stakes of the campaign - half of Uley have Green stakes, and there's one in Dursley. The Green campaign in Dursley mostly seems to be over Facebook to very few followers, with two candidates doing some candidates and leaflets. Labour might nick the 3rd seat after all..... Apparently Stroud has a similar dominance of Green stakes, apparently. A couple of people have said that Greens may have got cocky and spread themselves to thin, and that this might cost them - I'm not sure I've seen hard evidence of this but then where I live I'd be unlikely to Fair few in Stroud though not overwhelmingly so, plenty in Painswick. Lots in certain parts of Wotton, none in the social housing areas. I haven't ventured up the Severn, the Golden Valley or Minch this week. Hard to tell if the Greens have spread themselves too thin; my instinct is that they have, but they are leafletting fairly heavily and are the only party out of the traps on the stakeboard, err, stakes. I suspect they have may been granted a dollop of central party funds, if there is such a thing. Then again, a Lib Dem of my acquaintance once said: "If you see 100 Green posters, you've got 100 Green voters: if you see one Tory poster, you've also got 100 Tory voters". (Maybe not this year, but you get the point.) Can't help feeling that having union jacks plastered all over Labour's boards isn't an especially helpful look for Labour in this particular District All their leaflets claim sole responsibility for everything done by the Co-operative Alliance, ever, which I feel may rile potential Labour switchers in Stroud. Certainly a lot of people round here are not happy about the Green leaflets/social media. I just hope it doesn't harm what has been a very good and productive working relationship between the two parties. I did wonder if they might spread themselves too thin so it's interesting that a couple of people have said it. The distribution of poster stakes here suggests the party are working hard in Uley but only one candidate is in Dursley which would be fairly sensible for them
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 13, 2024 18:37:11 GMT
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Stroud
Apr 13, 2024 22:04:08 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 13, 2024 22:04:08 GMT
Fair few in Stroud though not overwhelmingly so, plenty in Painswick. Lots in certain parts of Wotton, none in the social housing areas. I haven't ventured up the Severn, the Golden Valley or Minch this week. Hard to tell if the Greens have spread themselves too thin; my instinct is that they have, but they are leafletting fairly heavily and are the only party out of the traps on the stakeboard, err, stakes. I suspect they have may been granted a dollop of central party funds, if there is such a thing. Then again, a Lib Dem of my acquaintance once said: "If you see 100 Green posters, you've got 100 Green voters: if you see one Tory poster, you've also got 100 Tory voters". (Maybe not this year, but you get the point.) Can't help feeling that having union jacks plastered all over Labour's boards isn't an especially helpful look for Labour in this particular District All their leaflets claim sole responsibility for everything done by the Co-operative Alliance, ever, which I feel may rile potential Labour switchers in Stroud. Certainly a lot of people round here are not happy about the Green leaflets/social media. I just hope it doesn't harm what has been a very good and productive working relationship between the two parties.
I did wonder if they might spread themselves too thin so it's interesting that a couple of people have said it. The distribution of poster stakes here suggests the party are working hard in Uley but only one candidate is in Dursley which would be fairly sensible for them I would anticipate that after a bit there will be decent working relations in the council chamber. But I do think they have done some damage across the board; they have certainly got up my nose a bit.
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Apr 22, 2024 11:37:11 GMT
Post by European Lefty on Apr 22, 2024 11:37:11 GMT
The Greens are running an odd campaign in Dursley - mostly being ignored by the party while their main candidate and her partner do a bit of canvassing, but then they had a massive campaign day with Natalie Bennett. In truth it's more word of mouth and the like that will decide her vote rather than canvassing or leaflets - whilst our canvassing suggests they aren't much of a threat, it my not detect their true strength. Nevertheless, I'm not so sure about a Green gain now.
Meanwhile, in Cam East I've had the MP's "leaflet disguised a newsletter" delivered by post, and another similar one that revolves entirely around policing, clearly meant to be for the PCC election. I know Berkeley Vale has had a local leaflet from them, but nobody in Cam East appears to have had anything about the locals (the other two don't even mention them). If they've given up on Cam East they're in real trouble - if they think it's guaranteed for them, that's quite complacent.
Stroud branch have apparently thrown the kitchen sink at F&P
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 22, 2024 20:38:41 GMT
The Greens are running an odd campaign in Dursley - mostly being ignored by the party while their main candidate and her partner do a bit of canvassing, but then they had a massive campaign day with Natalie Bennett. In truth it's more word of mouth and the like that will decide her vote rather than canvassing or leaflets - whilst our canvassing suggests they aren't much of a threat, it my not detect their true strength. Nevertheless, I'm not so sure about a Green gain now. Meanwhile, in Cam East I've had the MP's "leaflet disguised a newsletter" delivered by post, and another similar one that revolves entirely around policing, clearly meant to be for the PCC election. I know Berkeley Vale has had a local leaflet from them, but nobody in Cam East appears to have had anything about the locals (the other two don't even mention them). If they've given up on Cam East they're in real trouble - if they think it's guaranteed for them, that's quite complacent. Stroud branch have apparently thrown the kitchen sink at F&PHang on, is that Stroud Labour Party and Farmhill and Paganhill? That's my ward. Can't be much of a kitchen sink, I've had one (quite decent, but only A5) leaflet early in the campaign, no follow-up, and no canvassing. My daughter's at home most days so would know if they'd knocked, and I've not had an out-slip. Since we're not standing here I'm pretty up for voting for Labour tactically so I'm sort of hoping they call. I've actually had just as much from UKIP for their Town Council candidate as I've had from Labour. (Showed it to my daughter, who quite rightly said that the candidate's photo looked like a Police mugshot; my thought was of someone arrested for glassing someone in a pub.) There are now a decent number of Labour posters/boards around though I think the Green Party still have the edge across the District; I don't read too much into that. Two large leaflets from the Green Party, pretty much identical to all their other leaflets across the District but with the names changed. I wonder if their big day in Dursley with Natalie Bennett was some sort of "mutual aid" day out with people called in from neighbouring authorities without local elections (e.g. the Forest)? No sign of anything from the Tories, who are theoretically incumbents. I have heard vague rumours of the odd thing from Siobhain Baillie MP elsewhere in the District (down in the Severn Vale,) presumably same as you.
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Stroud
Apr 22, 2024 20:51:55 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 22, 2024 20:51:55 GMT
Have now just been sent a copy of what I imagine is the MP's letter that European Lefty refers to. Virtually no blue on it with one exception - big red top, presumably in tribute to The Sun, but making it look like a Labour leaflet a first glance; big chunk of Lib Dem yellow inside. The expenses limits for PCCs are vast so I suspect that they are using some of the Conservative Party's massive war chest to put out paid-for delivery to make up for lack of activist deliverers. Somewhat oddly, the only blue part is in a section contrasting the alleged Tory and Labour records on crime, which rather misses the point that the obvious challenger to the incumbent Tory PCC is the former PCC, previously independent now standing under Lib Dem colours, or just possibly the new independent, with the Labour PCC candidate quite clearly being unserious.
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 22, 2024 23:19:42 GMT
The Greens are running an odd campaign in Dursley - mostly being ignored by the party while their main candidate and her partner do a bit of canvassing, but then they had a massive campaign day with Natalie Bennett. In truth it's more word of mouth and the like that will decide her vote rather than canvassing or leaflets - whilst our canvassing suggests they aren't much of a threat, it my not detect their true strength. Nevertheless, I'm not so sure about a Green gain now. Meanwhile, in Cam East I've had the MP's "leaflet disguised a newsletter" delivered by post, and another similar one that revolves entirely around policing, clearly meant to be for the PCC election. I know Berkeley Vale has had a local leaflet from them, but nobody in Cam East appears to have had anything about the locals (the other two don't even mention them). If they've given up on Cam East they're in real trouble - if they think it's guaranteed for them, that's quite complacent. Stroud branch have apparently thrown the kitchen sink at F&PHang on, is that Stroud Labour Party and Farmhill and Paganhill? That's my ward. Can't be much of a kitchen sink, I've had one (quite decent, but only A5) leaflet early in the campaign, no follow-up, and no canvassing. My daughter's at home most days so would know if they'd knocked, and I've not had an out-slip. Since we're not standing here I'm pretty up for voting for Labour tactically so I'm sort of hoping they call. I've actually had just as much from UKIP for their Town Council candidate as I've had from Labour. (Showed it to my daughter, who quite rightly said that the candidate's photo looked like a Police mugshot; my thought was of someone arrested for glassing someone in a pub.) There are now a decent number of Labour posters/boards around though I think the Green Party still have the edge across the District; I don't read too much into that. Two large leaflets from the Green Party, pretty much identical to all their other leaflets across the District but with the names changed. I wonder if their big day in Dursley with Natalie Bennett was some sort of "mutual aid" day out with people called in from neighbouring authorities without local elections (e.g. the Forest)? No sign of anything from the Tories, who are theoretically incumbents. I have heard vague rumours of the odd thing from Siobhain Baillie MP elsewhere in the District (down in the Severn Vale,) presumably same as you. Well, it's not my area. I'm focussed almost entirely om the areas within my branch (which as it is, covers Cam, Dursley, Berkeley Vale ward, Coaley & Uley ward and now Wotton-Under-Edge as well) so I'm relying on what I hear from others about elsewhere in the district. I've seen a lot of canvassing in F&P, and a real uptick in both Stonehouse and Rodborough but I think it's fair to say both of those wards had a slow start
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 22, 2024 23:21:54 GMT
I do think though that there's a general tendency for Labour to not leaflet as much as some parties. We don't pay for delivery as often as the Tories do and lots of Labour people assume that at a certain point (seemingly the second leaflet if you ask some), you just start annoying people.
Whilst LibDem targeting manifests itself as a lot of leaflets, Labour targeting usually involves a lot of canvassing
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 23, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
I do think though that there's a general tendency for Labour to not leaflet as much as some parties. We don't pay for delivery as often as the Tories do and lots of Labour people assume that at a certain point (seemingly the second leaflet if you ask some), you just start annoying people. Whilst LibDem targeting manifests itself as a lot of leaflets, Labour targeting usually involves a lot of canvassing We're keen on canvassing too - we were the first party to adopt a proper phone app to record it - but we do major on leaflets because they substitute for the media coverage that the Big Two get. I'm surprised not to have been canvassed by Labour, as I have been in the past, but I'm in a side street and you can't cover every house. Personally I thought the Labour candidate's cv appeared more impressive than the Green and if that's borne out I would expect canvassing to be effective
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 11:00:29 GMT
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Post by swingometer on Apr 23, 2024 11:00:29 GMT
I do think though that there's a general tendency for Labour to not leaflet as much as some parties. We don't pay for delivery as often as the Tories do and lots of Labour people assume that at a certain point (seemingly the second leaflet if you ask some), you just start annoying people. Whilst LibDem targeting manifests itself as a lot of leaflets, Labour targeting usually involves a lot of canvassing We're keen on canvassing too - we were the first party to adopt a proper phone app to record it - but we do major on leaflets because they substitute for the media coverage that the Big Two get. I'm surprised not to have been canvassed by Labour, as I have been in the past, but I'm in a side street and you can't cover every house. Personally I thought the Labour candidate's cv appeared more impressive than the Green and if that's borne out I would expect canvassing to be effective What’s it like door knocking and how do you deal with it.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 23, 2024 11:48:34 GMT
We're keen on canvassing too - we were the first party to adopt a proper phone app to record it - but we do major on leaflets because they substitute for the media coverage that the Big Two get. I'm surprised not to have been canvassed by Labour, as I have been in the past, but I'm in a side street and you can't cover every house. Personally I thought the Labour candidate's cv appeared more impressive than the Green and if that's borne out I would expect canvassing to be effective What’s it like door knocking and how do you deal with it. Is there a dog/s? Is it at large in the garden? Does the bell work? Is there anyone in? Are they shift workers asleep? Is it a meal time? Am I interrupting a soap or a match on TV? Did I wake the baby? Where is the letter box? Has it got a kocker hanging over it? Does it have a strong spring flap and a stiff brush behind it? Is it a toe level? Is it vertical? Are there dog's teeth close behind it? Have I just dropped al the other leaflets in a puddle? Woden, I need a toilet? Will they ever stop talking? What should I say? Well are they for or against? What about other members of the household and voting? Is it safe to enter and drink their tea? Am I wasting more time? Is she/he serious about 'going upstairs'? Will this lead to front page of the Argus next week? An offer to join them for dinner and to stop working today? Another oral lambasting! A very detailed reason why the events of 1981 caused her to hate us! Can you help me move this grand piano? Do you still offer transport? Yes. What time on Polling Day? I mean down the shops now! Can you sit in and watch the kid while I go? It is a rich and eventful life on the knocker.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 23, 2024 12:03:08 GMT
What’s it like door knocking and how do you deal with it. Is there a dog/s? Is it at large in the garden? Does the bell work? Is there anyone in? Are they shift workers asleep? Is it a meal time? Am I interrupting a soap or a match on TV? Did I wake the baby? Where is the letter box? Has it got a kocker hanging over it? Does it have a strong spring flap and a stiff brush behind it? Is it a toe level? Is it vertical? Are there dog's teeth close behind it? Have I just dropped al the other leaflets in a puddle? Woden, I need a toilet? Will they ever stop talking? What should I say? Well are they for or against? What about other members of the household and voting? Is it safe to enter and drink their tea? Am I wasting more time? Is she/he serious about 'going upstairs'? Will this lead to front page of the Argus next week? An offer to join them for dinner and to stop working today? Another oral lambasting! A very detailed reason why the events of 1981 caused her to hate us! Can you help me move this grand piano? Do you still offer transport? Yes. What time on Polling Day? I mean down the shops now! Can you sit in and watch the kid while I go? It is a rich and eventful life on the knocker. You forgot small child saying "My mummy only sees men by arrangement".
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 12:06:27 GMT
Post by carlton43 on Apr 23, 2024 12:06:27 GMT
Is there a dog/s? Is it at large in the garden? Does the bell work? Is there anyone in? Are they shift workers asleep? Is it a meal time? Am I interrupting a soap or a match on TV? Did I wake the baby? Where is the letter box? Has it got a kocker hanging over it? Does it have a strong spring flap and a stiff brush behind it? Is it a toe level? Is it vertical? Are there dog's teeth close behind it? Have I just dropped al the other leaflets in a puddle? Woden, I need a toilet? Will they ever stop talking? What should I say? Well are they for or against? What about other members of the household and voting? Is it safe to enter and drink their tea? Am I wasting more time? Is she/he serious about 'going upstairs'? Will this lead to front page of the Argus next week? An offer to join them for dinner and to stop working today? Another oral lambasting! A very detailed reason why the events of 1981 caused her to hate us! Can you help me move this grand piano? Do you still offer transport? Yes. What time on Polling Day? I mean down the shops now! Can you sit in and watch the kid while I go? It is a rich and eventful life on the knocker. You forgot small child saying "My mummy only sees men by arrangement". I tended to know all those addresses and got them on someone else's list! It was the enthusiastic amateurs who always caught me out.
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Post by European Lefty on Apr 23, 2024 12:44:28 GMT
"three postal votes for Labour, gone in the post this morning. Might be different come the general election though, I'll be looking for a BNP candidate"
"GO AWAY AND BURN.....your scruffy leader"
"Not voting in the GE. Everyone's controlled by the world economic forum, no point. I'll be voting in the locals though, we need to get rid of the current MP"
All genuine examples of comments I've had on the doorstep
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 12:47:12 GMT
Post by finsobruce on Apr 23, 2024 12:47:12 GMT
"three postal votes for Labour, gone in the post this morning. Might be different come the general election though, I'll be looking for a BNP candidate" "GO AWAY AND BURN.....your scruffy leader" "Not voting in the GE. Everyone's controlled by the world economic forum, no point. I'll be voting in the locals though, we need to get rid of the current MP" All genuine examples of comments I've had on the doorstep "Can't manage it today. I'll vote next week".
"I'm afraid not, I follow the path of Red China".
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 23, 2024 18:04:04 GMT
What’s it like door knocking and how do you deal with it. Is there a dog/s? Is it at large in the garden? Does the bell work? Is there anyone in? Are they shift workers asleep? Is it a meal time? Am I interrupting a soap or a match on TV? Did I wake the baby? Where is the letter box? Has it got a kocker hanging over it? Does it have a strong spring flap and a stiff brush behind it? Is it a toe level? Is it vertical? Are there dog's teeth close behind it? Have I just dropped al the other leaflets in a puddle? Woden, I need a toilet? Will they ever stop talking? What should I say? Well are they for or against? What about other members of the household and voting? Is it safe to enter and drink their tea? Am I wasting more time? Is she/he serious about 'going upstairs'? Will this lead to front page of the Argus next week? An offer to join them for dinner and to stop working today? Another oral lambasting! A very detailed reason why the events of 1981 caused her to hate us! Can you help me move this grand piano? Do you still offer transport? Yes. What time on Polling Day? I mean down the shops now! Can you sit in and watch the kid while I go? It is a rich and eventful life on the knocker. In rural parts there is also the Find The Bloody Front Door challenge.
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 18:06:55 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 23, 2024 18:06:55 GMT
Those doorbells which link to the mobile phone were a bit of a shock to me when I first encountered one - someone replying to the ring to say that they weren't in puzzled me considerably for some minutes.
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 23, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
Those doorbells which link to the mobile phone were a bit of a shock to me when I first encountered one - someone replying to the ring to say that they weren't in puzzled me considerably for some minutes. I'm back leafleting for the first time in yonks. Seeing just how many Ring doorbells are installed was a real shock. New builds, 70s estates, rented, privately owned: the odd ones out are those without them!
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Post by wickofthesouth on Apr 23, 2024 21:52:57 GMT
Is there a dog/s? Is it at large in the garden? Does the bell work? Is there anyone in? Are they shift workers asleep? Is it a meal time? Am I interrupting a soap or a match on TV? Did I wake the baby? Where is the letter box? Has it got a kocker hanging over it? Does it have a strong spring flap and a stiff brush behind it? Is it a toe level? Is it vertical? Are there dog's teeth close behind it? Have I just dropped al the other leaflets in a puddle? Woden, I need a toilet? Will they ever stop talking? What should I say? Well are they for or against? What about other members of the household and voting? Is it safe to enter and drink their tea? Am I wasting more time? Is she/he serious about 'going upstairs'? Will this lead to front page of the Argus next week? An offer to join them for dinner and to stop working today? Another oral lambasting! A very detailed reason why the events of 1981 caused her to hate us! Can you help me move this grand piano? Do you still offer transport? Yes. What time on Polling Day? I mean down the shops now! Can you sit in and watch the kid while I go? It is a rich and eventful life on the knocker. In rural parts there is also the Find The Bloody Front Door challenge. Also a problem in high density higgledy piggledy city centres
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Stroud
Apr 23, 2024 21:56:26 GMT
Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 23, 2024 21:56:26 GMT
In rural parts there is also the Find The Bloody Front Door challenge. Also a problem in high density higgledy piggledy city centres I can think of a couple I've seen recently where a handful of front doors are positioned "opposite" or "back to front" to the run of the street. It takes a bit of getting used to.
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