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Post by Ron Swanson on Jun 10, 2023 17:54:26 GMT
Labour's John Grogan did hold one of the predecessor seats: Selby (although I accept the boundaries were different). Big headache for the Tories. And one heck of an opportunity for Labour. In this seat and Mid Beds, they surely have to step up and fight a serious campaign, even if it means letting the Tories through the middle, otherwise they just play into the narrative that they can only win with the Lib Dems support. The boundaries weren't massively different - more of the York suburbs were included (even the University) and there was less deeply rural territory in the North (the Ainsty) - but otherwise the core of the seat remained the same. Selby itself, Tadcaster, Sherburn in Elmet. The changes do help the Conservatives, but this is the sort of seat Labour should be winning in a by election like this. And the new Selby seat (which extends into West Yorkshire to take the former pit village of Kippax) is certainly an important Labour target for the next general election. Crikey, those boundaries are a right mess if Kippax is lumped in with Selby. Probably worse than putting Rothwell and Wakefield together. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 10, 2023 18:13:53 GMT
It’s an office, not an employment. The statutory mechanism these three MPs have chosen to give up their office requires the Chancellor of the Exchequer to appoint them, and he arguably could even refuse to do. maybe on the grounds that they're not up to the job? |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 10, 2023 18:21:35 GMT
The boundaries weren't massively different - more of the York suburbs were included (even the University) and there was less deeply rural territory in the North (the Ainsty) - but otherwise the core of the seat remained the same. Selby itself, Tadcaster, Sherburn in Elmet. The changes do help the Conservatives, but this is the sort of seat Labour should be winning in a by election like this. And the new Selby seat (which extends into West Yorkshire to take the former pit village of Kippax) is certainly an important Labour target for the next general election. Crikey, those boundaries are a right mess if Kippax is lumped in with Selby. Probably worse than putting Rothwell and Wakefield together. Modern county boundaries are probably the issue - the ideal partner for Selby is probably Goole (working class with an economy built on the river and canal). Presumably the county elecorates don't work for that combination. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 10, 2023 18:34:35 GMT
Kippax was in the old Barkston Ash constituency along with Selby (and a lot of other places) before 1983.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 10, 2023 18:39:24 GMT
Crikey, those boundaries are a right mess if Kippax is lumped in with Selby. Probably worse than putting Rothwell and Wakefield together. Modern county boundaries are probably the issue - the ideal partner for Selby is probably Goole (working class with an economy built on the river and canal). Presumably the county electorates don't work for that combination. In a way, yes-Selby should have been moved to what became Humberside, not North Yorkshire to which it has no connection to. Also North Yorkshire without Selby cannot be treated alone under this review. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 10, 2023 19:21:06 GMT
Kippax was in the old Barkston Ash constituency along with Selby (and a lot of other places) before 1983. A hilarious constituency. “ The Urban Districts of Garforth and Selby, the Rural Districts of Selby and Wetherby, the Rural District of Tadcaster except the parishes of Great and Little Preston, and Swillington, and in the Rural District of Nidderdale the parishes of Hessay, Knapton, Moor Monkton, Nether Poppleton, Rufforth, and Upper Poppleton.” |
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Post by batman on Jun 10, 2023 19:29:39 GMT
the name was pretty ridiculous too
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 10, 2023 19:32:00 GMT
the name was pretty ridiculous too It's one of the wapentakes of the West Riding. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 10, 2023 19:33:48 GMT
Kippax was in the old Barkston Ash constituency along with Selby (and a lot of other places) before 1983. Whatever happened to the old king? *
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Post by Ron Swanson on Jun 10, 2023 19:52:16 GMT
the name was pretty ridiculous too I’ve driven through Barkston Ash a few times recently, how a seat was named after the place I’ve no idea. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 10, 2023 19:58:21 GMT
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Post by batman on Jun 10, 2023 20:21:17 GMT
the name was pretty ridiculous too I’ve driven through Barkston Ash a few times recently, how a seat was named after the place I’ve no idea. that's what I meant, it's far too small a place to give its name to a constituency which contained some much larger towns including Selby. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Jun 10, 2023 20:28:43 GMT
Kippax was in the old Barkston Ash constituency along with Selby (and a lot of other places) before 1983. A hilarious constituency. “ The Urban Districts of Garforth and Selby, the Rural Districts of Selby and Wetherby, the Rural District of Tadcaster except the parishes of Great and Little Preston, and Swillington, and in the Rural District of Nidderdale the parishes of Hessay, Knapton, Moor Monkton, Nether Poppleton, Rufforth, and Upper Poppleton.” I went through Upper Poppleton once as a child and have never forgotten it. It’s such a wonderful name. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 10, 2023 20:33:58 GMT
Osgoldcross is one of my favourite constituency names
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 10, 2023 20:37:57 GMT
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Post by maxque on Jun 11, 2023 2:36:37 GMT
Councillors in the constituency:
7 Con
5 Lab
3 Ind
1 Grn
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2023 9:24:50 GMT
I’ve driven through Barkston Ash a few times recently, how a seat was named after the place I’ve no idea. that's what I meant, it's far too small a place to give its name to a constituency which contained some much larger towns including Selby. But that's the point, it wasn't actually named after the tiny village - rather the ancient "riding" in that area, |
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Post by batman on Jun 11, 2023 10:04:50 GMT
I get that but I don't think that these ridings, wapentakes, hundreds or whatever are a good basis for naming a parliamentary seat. It's best that the name describes, within reason, where the seat actually is, in a way understandable particularly to its residents but also where possible more widely. If the area were known locally as Barkston Ash that would be one thing, but I'm quite sure it isn't. At least with Bassetlaw or Spelthorne (to give 2 examples) it's the name of the local council, and is therefore very well-known locally even if not nationally - I didn't find out where Spelthorne was until I was about 20, even though it's only about 20 minutes by car from where I lived and still live.
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Post by batman on Jun 11, 2023 10:05:33 GMT
Should Spelthorne be abolished as a council in the future the seat should of course be renamed Da Staines Massive.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 11, 2023 16:15:42 GMT
Estimated 2022 local election results in this constituency:
C 11,200 (42%)
Lab 8,300 (32%)
Oths 3,600 (14%)
Green 3,000 (12%)
L Dem 150 (0.5%)
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