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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 7:42:34 GMT
If the Tories face by-elections in Tamworth and possibly Romford too, a triple whammy may hurt Sunak the most.
Funnily enough, I think we'd get a win for each of the big three again in that scenario, with Romford staying blue.
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Post by YL on Jul 30, 2023 7:45:30 GMT
What is Nadine waiting for? Party conferences? 2024 local elections? Resigning right now would make little sense (though this is Dorries we’re talking about) as by-elections caused by resignation can’t be called during a recess.
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Post by batman on Jul 30, 2023 8:02:04 GMT
What is Nadine waiting for? Party conferences? 2024 local elections? in the words of Viz, ask Professor Bernard Fuck. Fuck knows.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 30, 2023 9:15:19 GMT
What is Nadine waiting for? Party conferences? 2024 local elections? Expulsion for bringing the House into disrepute? Don't think that "only" absenteeism could be a trigger for this. Wasn't there a Tory MP who basically "disappeared" for several years in the 1980s? Unfortunately these things from the pre-internet age aren't that easy to look up.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 30, 2023 9:26:27 GMT
Expulsion for bringing the House into disrepute? Don't think that "only" absenteeism could be a trigger for this. Wasn't there a Tory MP who basically "disappeared" for several years in the 1980s? Unfortunately these things from the pre-internet age aren't that easy to look up.I'm thinking Christopher Murphy ? (Welwyn Hatfield 79-87)
EDIT: Yes, i'm pretty sure it was him. By the mid 1980s the local papers were routinely describing him as 'elusive' and 'vanished'.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 30, 2023 10:03:09 GMT
I understood perfectly the ridiculous system John had proposed and commend him for his patience in explaining it to the slow kids
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Post by graham on Jul 30, 2023 10:12:54 GMT
If the Tories face by-elections in Tamworth and possibly Romford too, a triple whammy may hurt Sunak the most. Funnily enough, I think we'd get a win for each of the big three again in that scenario, with Romford staying blue. To avoid that, Sunak might well decide to hold the GE on May 2nd 2024. Labour did narrowly win Romford in 1997 - and under pre- 1974 boundaries it was Labour-held for many years.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 30, 2023 15:24:57 GMT
Don't think that "only" absenteeism could be a trigger for this. Wasn't there a Tory MP who basically "disappeared" for several years in the 1980s? Unfortunately these things from the pre-internet age aren't that easy to look up.I'm thinking Christopher Murphy ? (Welwyn Hatfield 79-87)
EDIT: Yes, i'm pretty sure it was him. By the mid 1980s the local papers were routinely describing him as 'elusive' and 'vanished'.
Apparently he recalled his time in parliament fondly enough to stand for UKIP in 2005.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 30, 2023 16:12:20 GMT
There is no job description for MPs. There aren't even any attendance rules. You can trouser the money and live in Tahiti if you want. There is no requirement to talk to the people who elected you, let alone actually represent them. Indeed. Dosent another idler, Geoffrey Cox, spend most of his time somewhere in the Windies? That is Sir Geoffrey to you and he is anything but an idler. We need far more MPs like him.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 30, 2023 18:34:17 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 30, 2023 18:45:47 GMT
I'm thinking Christopher Murphy ? (Welwyn Hatfield 79-87)
EDIT: Yes, i'm pretty sure it was him. By the mid 1980s the local papers were routinely describing him as 'elusive' and 'vanished'.
Apparently he recalled his time in parliament fondly enough to stand for UKIP in 2005. I doubt that- I wouldn't think he was at much risk of actually getting elected.Maybe he was one of those who enjoyed the excitement of an election campaign but was bored by the reality of actually winning and having a job to do. I've known a few like that, though maybe not to that extreme.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 30, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
I think that's two actual speeches. One short speech in the debate on the Windsor Framework, and leading a Westminster Hall debate on a constituency topic. The others are all brief interventions. Still it's more than Nadine Dorries has managed.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 30, 2023 19:04:59 GMT
Like most former senior members of government he makes a small number of speeches and/or intervention on important matters. Also three speeches from Cox are worth 30 speeches from most MPs.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 30, 2023 20:27:29 GMT
Like most former senior members of government he makes a small number of speeches and/or intervention on important matters. Also three speeches from Cox are worth 30 speeches from most MPs. He's still a barely there MP who has interests beyond his constituency. Either represent and contribute, or resign.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 30, 2023 20:43:24 GMT
Like most former senior members of government he makes a small number of speeches and/or intervention on important matters. Also three speeches from Cox are worth 30 speeches from most MPs. He's still a barely there MP who has interests beyond his constituency. Either represent and contribute, or resign. Not in itself an offence.
I supect that most ordinary voters don't know or care much about Commons attendance. However If he ignores the interests of his constituents as well, then he is in trouble.
Although she isn't standing again and won't be personally affected, Dorries actions (or lack of them) make it look like she is actively taking the piss out of her own constituents.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 30, 2023 20:46:01 GMT
Apparently he recalled his time in parliament fondly enough to stand for UKIP in 2005. I doubt that- I wouldn't think he was at much risk of actually getting elected.Maybe he was one of those who enjoyed the excitement of an election campaign but was bored by the reality of actually winning and having a job to do. I've known a few like that, though maybe not to that extreme. In reading the newspaper articles about it , I found that he was, in his first year in the Commons, the MP who took part in most divisions. And the local press were full of his statements on this and that over the following years.
It seems to have been a sudden decline , which is perhaps why it was so noticeable.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 30, 2023 21:02:53 GMT
What is Nadine waiting for? Party conferences? 2024 local elections? I'm inclined to take her at her word and believe that she intends to stick around until she gets a peerage. She may at this point have realised that that isn't going to happen, but if it isn't going to happen either way, why give up the paycheque?
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Post by batman on Jul 30, 2023 21:21:29 GMT
I doubt that- I wouldn't think he was at much risk of actually getting elected.Maybe he was one of those who enjoyed the excitement of an election campaign but was bored by the reality of actually winning and having a job to do. I've known a few like that, though maybe not to that extreme. In reading the newspaper articles about it , I found that he was, in his first year in the Commons, the MP who took part in most divisions. And the local press were full of his statements on this and that over the following years.
It seems to have been a sudden decline , which is perhaps why it was so noticeable.
I do recall him as a vigorous & vocal Thatcherite in his earlier years after gaining the seat from Helene Hayman (Lab)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 30, 2023 22:07:10 GMT
I doubt that- I wouldn't think he was at much risk of actually getting elected.Maybe he was one of those who enjoyed the excitement of an election campaign but was bored by the reality of actually winning and having a job to do. I've known a few like that, though maybe not to that extreme. In reading the newspaper articles about it , I found that he was, in his first year in the Commons, the MP who took part in most divisions. And the local press were full of his statements on this and that over the following years.
It seems to have been a sudden decline , which is perhaps why it was so noticeable.
There were precisely 500 divisions in the 1979-80 session. The MPs who were recorded voting in over 430 of them were: 476 Michael Jopling (C, Westmorland) 469 John Cope (C, South Gloucestershire) 466 John Stradling Thomas (C, Monmouth) 464 David Waddington (C, Clitheroe) 463 John Wakeham (C, Maldon) 462 Robert Boscawen (C, Wells) –– Hon. Peter Morrison (C, City of Chester) 460 Tristan Garel-Jones (C, Watford) 458 Tim Brinton (C, Gravesend) 453 John Wheeler (C, Paddington) 452 Hon. Anthony Berry (C, Enfield Southgate) 450 Peter Lloyd (C, Fareham) 449 Spencer Le Marchant (C, High Peak) 448 Bob Dunn (C, Dartford) 447 Hon. Peter Brooke (C, City of London and Westminster South) 446 Antony Newton (C, Braintree) 444 Iain Mills (C, Meriden) 442 Sir Graham Page (C, Crosby) 441 Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (C, Edinburgh West) –– Keith Wickenden (C, Dorking) 438 John Blackburn (C, Dudley West) –– Graham Bright (C, Luton East) –– Bob Cryer (Lab, Keighley) 436 Kenneth Carlisle (C, Lincoln) –– John MacGregor (C, South Norfolk) 434 Peggy Fenner (C, Rochester and Chatham) –– Anthony Speller (C, North Devon) 432 Donald Thompson (C, Sowerby) 431 Christopher Murphy (C, Welwyn and Hatfield)
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Post by johnloony on Jul 30, 2023 22:13:20 GMT
Don't think that "only" absenteeism could be a trigger for this. Wasn't there a Tory MP who basically "disappeared" for several years in the 1980s? Unfortunately these things from the pre-internet age aren't that easy to look up.I'm thinking Christopher Murphy ? (Welwyn Hatfield 79-87) EDIT: Yes, i'm pretty sure it was him. By the mid 1980s the local papers were routinely describing him as 'elusive' and 'vanished'.
What sort of “disappeared” did he do? I don’t think I remember anything about him.
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