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Post by aargauer on Jul 27, 2023 19:57:34 GMT
A referral to the Standards Committee must be in order, surely? It could engineer her removal by one way or another. The Standards Commissioner has no remit over the level of an MP's activity. Who is the laziest MP now Roger Godsiff finally got the boot?
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Post by batman on Jul 27, 2023 20:01:50 GMT
Her by the looks of it. Jared O'Mara was hardly an active MP in the last parliament either.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 27, 2023 20:58:58 GMT
I'm of a mind that we shouldn't accept lazy MPs as part of our constitution, and I'm of the mind that the Recall Act should perhaps be amended to incorporate a version of the six-month rule.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 27, 2023 20:59:13 GMT
The Standards Commissioner has no remit over the level of an MP's activity. Who is the laziest MP now Roger Godsiff finally got the boot? Ha! We in Hall Green thought that no MP could possibly be worse than Godsiff. We were wrong. Tahir Ali is currently showing every sign of being even more lousy, but won't be dislodged easily as long as he retains the loyalty of the Kashmiri community in Sparkbrook and Sparkhill.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 27, 2023 21:13:19 GMT
I don't see how. There is no contract that she is breaking. If I was haughty and traditionalist I'd say "she's breaking her contract with the voters who put her there!" But I'm not. So I won't. you just did.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 27, 2023 21:15:11 GMT
A referral to the Standards Committee must be in order, surely? It could engineer her removal by one way or another. You seem to have a peculiar and idiosyncratic interpretation of what “must” and “could” mean. Although, to be fair, any member of the Standards Committee “could” theoretically assassinate her, if that’s what you mean.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 27, 2023 21:50:11 GMT
If I was haughty and traditionalist I'd say "she's breaking her contract with the voters who put her there!" But I'm not. So I won't. you just did. Oh whoopsie, how clumsy.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 28, 2023 5:06:27 GMT
If I was haughty and traditionalist I'd say "she's breaking her contract with the voters who put her there!" But I'm not. So I won't. you just did. He certainly wrote it down, but can you prove that he said it?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 28, 2023 14:49:55 GMT
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Post by stb12 on Jul 29, 2023 2:22:23 GMT
I'm of a mind that we shouldn't accept lazy MPs as part of our constitution, and I'm of the mind that the Recall Act should perhaps be amended to incorporate a version of the six-month rule. Would this not create an issue for Sinn Fein MPs? If there was such a rule in place I don’t see how they could reasonably be exempt from it, even if they did run on an abstentionist platform
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 29, 2023 5:31:57 GMT
I'm of a mind that we shouldn't accept lazy MPs as part of our constitution, and I'm of the mind that the Recall Act should perhaps be amended to incorporate a version of the six-month rule. Would this not create an issue for Sinn Fein MPs? If there was such a rule in place I don’t see how they could reasonably be exempt from it, even if they did run on an abstentionist platform Fair point. I'm now seeing the potential clause having dozens of closely typed exemptions to cover every eventually. Hey maybe I'm in the wrong and absentee MPs are what people want?
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 29, 2023 10:19:49 GMT
I do think it is different if they actually run on an explicitly abstentionist platform as Sinn Fein do.
In contrast, it doesn't seem like the denizens of Mid Bedfordshire are overly impressed by their "absentee" MP.
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Post by batman on Jul 29, 2023 10:37:35 GMT
she is an absentee as she does not live in the constituency.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 29, 2023 10:39:06 GMT
I do think it is different if they actually run on an explicitly abstentionist platform as Sinn Fein do. In contrast, it doesn't seem like the denizens of Mid Bedfordshire are overly impressed by their "absentee" MP. It may be different morally but trying to apply some kind of rule that could see MPs kicked out for it isn’t so simple I don’t think
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 29, 2023 11:06:13 GMT
If it's a Recall Act issue, then something like (.) If a member, having taken the oath, is absent for X sitting days without good cause, then a petition is opened.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 29, 2023 11:34:36 GMT
If it's a Recall Act issue, then something like (.) If a member, having taken the oath, is absent for X sitting days without good cause, then a petition is opened. Exactly. This isn't an issue for SF unless Westminster choses to make it one. You'll need some carefully written exceptions around debilitating illnesses, though.
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Post by borisminor on Jul 29, 2023 11:47:08 GMT
If it's a Recall Act issue, then something like (.) If a member, having taken the oath, is absent for X sitting days without good cause, then a petition is opened. Exactly. This isn't an issue for SF unless Westminster choses to make it one. You'll need some carefully written exceptions around debilitating illnesses, though. Also define presence is a difficult one. In the Lords you could claim your £300 if you walked through the door. I imagine many MPs will claim that they can represent their constituents just as well even if they don't participate in debates or are not on the state either volunterily or otherwise. You can arguably have more influence from your office writing to ministers on behalf of your constituents than parroting the party line in a debate.
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 29, 2023 14:03:10 GMT
I don't see how. There is no contract that she is breaking. There is no job description for MPs. There aren't even any attendance rules. You can trouser the money and live in Tahiti if you want. There is no requirement to talk to the people who elected you, let alone actually represent them. Indeed. Dosent another idler, Geoffrey Cox, spend most of his time somewhere in the Windies?
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 29, 2023 14:10:37 GMT
Also I think the other problem with any sort of formal Recall Act , like the case of some sort of 6-month rule likeDok mentioned; then all an MP of such an indolent mind would need to do is turn up once every6 months, "sign in", then clear off again to do something they consider more "important", and they would be in the clear for another 6 months!
Thinking about it, how similar would that be to those "noble Lords and Ladies" who merely have to "sign in" to get their daily allowance and are not obliged to otherwise even so much as lift a finger work-wise.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 29, 2023 14:11:10 GMT
There is no job description for MPs. There aren't even any attendance rules. You can trouser the money and live in Tahiti if you want. There is no requirement to talk to the people who elected you, let alone actually represent them. Indeed. Dosent another idler, Geoffrey Cox, spend most of his time somewhere in the Windies? Windies? Would that be the Windward Islands?
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