European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on Jul 11, 2023 9:37:32 GMT
Con, Lab, LD will be the top three, the question is in what order. I don't see any of those coming fourth I feel like the independent is high profile enough that even if that poll wasn't quite right, he still feels like a relevant factor. Wait and see I suppose– just in a constituency that's this generally conservative but at a time of a lot of opposition to the Conservative Party itself, that's when you would expect an independent like that to do well. But independents only usually do that well if they can, in effect, replace one of major parties. The independent in Wakefield was in the perfect position to do just that, and still got less than 10% of the vote and I'm pretty sure would have come fourth if the LDs had made an effort. The independent here is relying on a personal vote and it will be very difficult to transfer that from ward to constituency level
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 11, 2023 9:50:51 GMT
Has the independent even confirmed that they intend to stand yet?
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Post by graham on Jul 11, 2023 10:09:40 GMT
Has the independent even confirmed that they intend to stand yet? I believe he was ready to stand - and has been raising campaign funds - a few weeks ago when it was assumed a by election would occur on 17th July. The recent poll is unlikely to have deterred him.
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 11, 2023 12:30:36 GMT
In response to batman: gibbon claimed that "That has been the the LibDem tactic for years" and then went on to claim that the Greens had started using it as well, so a bit of evidence might not come amiss.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 11, 2023 12:35:02 GMT
In response to batman: gibbon claimed that "That has been the the LibDem tactic for years" and then went on to claim that the Greens had started using it as well, so a bit of evidence might not come amiss. I think batman and gibbon should present their evidence to Commissioner Gordon.
After explaining what has happened to Robin.
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 11, 2023 12:45:21 GMT
OK Gibbon - come up with some evidence that this is a habitual LibDem tactic, even down to polling district level. You can't because it isn't. From about the mid 70s to the mid 90s I probably printed more Liberal/LibDem leaflets than anyone else in the country. Some of them were rubbish; some of them were formulaic; a few of them I would not have distributed, and there were a handful that I refused to print because of their content; but the overwhelming majority were lie the two that I happen to be printing at the moment: straightforward information about what LibDem councillors/campaigners have been doing for that particular ward, along with useful information. Leaflets during election periods can be hard hitting, say things that are controversial, put a spin on things and, depending on your point of view, be misleading, but to suggest that it is primarily the LibDems (and now apparently the Greens) who do things like that is rubbish, and I have a collection of leaflets going back fifty years that I can draw on to prove it.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 11, 2023 12:45:23 GMT
Where the Liberal Democrats are unique is that they mislead and deceitfully are able to oppose a plan in one part of the polling district/ward/constituency and actively support it in another part. In some areas the Green Party are following the same tactic. I must have imagined the Labour Group supporting that allocation in Weston, but their candidate in the Weston by-election opposing it on his leaflets. And the same thing happening in Shavington . . .
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 11, 2023 12:48:00 GMT
I feel like the independent is high profile enough that even if that poll wasn't quite right, he still feels like a relevant factor. Wait and see I suppose– just in a constituency that's this generally conservative but at a time of a lot of opposition to the Conservative Party itself, that's when you would expect an independent like that to do well. But independents only usually do that well if they can, in effect, replace one of major parties. The independent in Wakefield was in the perfect position to do just that, and still got less than 10% of the vote and I'm pretty sure would have come fourth if the LDs had made an effort. The independent here is relying on a personal vote and it will be very difficult to transfer that from ward to constituency level I predict that if he stands his inbox after the count will be full of messages saying "we'd have voted for you, and we always vote for you at the locals, but ..."
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Post by batman on Jul 11, 2023 13:33:50 GMT
In response to batman: gibbon claimed that "That has been the the LibDem tactic for years" and then went on to claim that the Greens had started using it as well, so a bit of evidence might not come amiss. I think batman and gibbon should present their evidence to Commissioner Gordon.
After explaining what has happened to Robin.
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 11, 2023 14:00:44 GMT
I think batman and gibbon should present their evidence to Commissioner Gordon.
After explaining what has happened to Robin.
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. These posts are a real joker
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 11, 2023 14:13:35 GMT
I think batman and gibbon should present their evidence to Commissioner Gordon.
After explaining what has happened to Robin.
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. "Leading Labour poster admits to domestic violence at residence built in the collegiate Gothic style".
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 11, 2023 14:18:43 GMT
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. "Leading Labour poster admits to domestic violence at residence built in the collegiate Gothic style". You might say that but he couldn't possibly comment.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 11, 2023 14:19:08 GMT
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. "Leading Labour poster admits to domestic violence at residence built in the collegiate Gothic style". ”former next MP for Richmond Park outs himself as masked vigilante”
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Post by Sg1 on Jul 11, 2023 15:51:24 GMT
I think batman and gibbon should present their evidence to Commissioner Gordon.
After explaining what has happened to Robin.
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. He's truly the Bane of your existence
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Post by batman on Jul 11, 2023 15:59:31 GMT
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. "Leading Labour poster admits to domestic violence at residence built in the collegiate Gothic style". all right constituency officer I'll come quietly. In fact my residence was built in the 1960s and very much looks it.
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 11, 2023 17:24:44 GMT
I have slapped Robin so many times in various cartoons that he is sadly confined to his hospital bed at present. I am sure that we all wish him a speedy and complete recovery. He's truly the Bane of your existence At least he's not being Two-Face about it.
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Post by Sg1 on Jul 11, 2023 19:34:51 GMT
He's truly the Bane of your existence At least he's not being Two-Face about it. You just had to stir the Cobblepot didn't you?
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Post by stb12 on Jul 11, 2023 19:36:41 GMT
At least he's not being Two-Face about it. You just had to stir the Cobblepot didn't you? You all need to stop talking in Riddles
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 11, 2023 21:01:01 GMT
"Leading Labour poster admits to domestic violence at residence built in the collegiate Gothic style". all right constituency officer I'll come quietly. In fact my residence was built in the 1960s and very much looks it. The changing image of Wayne Manor in the various Batman cartoons/tv/films is worth a look. It starts off as a country cottage.
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Post by cogload on Jul 12, 2023 6:01:21 GMT
Does the 6 month rule apply to members of Parliament? Asking for a friend.
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