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Post by manchesterman on Oct 5, 2023 21:57:16 GMT
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 5, 2023 22:02:33 GMT
Big fan of them doing this and it looking pretty good. Preston City Council tried streaming their counts a few years ago and it looked as though RealPlayer was making a comeback. |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Oct 5, 2023 22:07:26 GMT
Ah, I didn't see the kind of account that had been written from. Apologies. I don't understand what the phrase means, am I missing something? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 5, 2023 22:14:02 GMT
Shanksy's Pony means you are walking home.
I used to take Shanksy's home from Manchester many a time in the 80's.
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 5, 2023 22:16:30 GMT
Just watching David Linden on the TV - he is claiming that Labour look likely to win because they are attracting Tory votes, and is scathing about this. Labour can't win without SNP-Labour switchers and his arrogant remarks won't go down well. Self-reflection is needed if the SNP lose, note blaming the voters. Whilst I agree that it's not a good look, Labour probably actually don't need SNP switches today, they just need more former SNP voters not to be arsed to vote (which is highly likely under current circumstances). There will of course be some SNP-Labour switches as well, I'm just not convinced Labour actually need them in any great numbers to win today... |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 5, 2023 22:16:33 GMT
The disaster was not the design of the ballot paper; it was the education system decades earlier which produced 800 (or however many) people per constituency who were too stupid to bother to follow simple instructions. The Gould report into the problem at those elections disagrees with you. Due to the length of some of the ballot papers and the limitation on ballot papers size imposed by the specific electronic counting software used, some areas removed the instructions to the voter to fit in all the parties contesting the regional vote. That said, people don't read instructions, even the ones developed after 2007 and subject to extensive user testing. I unfortunately have to include some relatives among them. What would be helpful to understand the extent of the problem, particularly in local government elections, would be changing the categories for rejected ballot papers so they are more specific to the problems being experienced now, such as multiple first preferences. I've never really understood why 'void' and 'blank' were in the same category together as the are separate issues. But all of that is a 'good thing' surely? They don't read the instructions or they don't understand them? Thus, they identify as fools or stupid, or both? Their votes are rejected and not counted. Result. Win-Win! |
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Post by piperdave on Oct 5, 2023 22:39:53 GMT
The Gould report into the problem at those elections disagrees with you. Due to the length of some of the ballot papers and the limitation on ballot papers size imposed by the specific electronic counting software used, some areas removed the instructions to the voter to fit in all the parties contesting the regional vote. That said, people don't read instructions, even the ones developed after 2007 and subject to extensive user testing. I unfortunately have to include some relatives among them. What would be helpful to understand the extent of the problem, particularly in local government elections, would be changing the categories for rejected ballot papers so they are more specific to the problems being experienced now, such as multiple first preferences. I've never really understood why 'void' and 'blank' were in the same category together as the are separate issues. But all of that is a 'good thing' surely? They don't read the instructions or they don't understand them? Thus, they identify as fools or stupid, or both? Their votes are rejected and not counted. Result. Win-Win! If we're going to eliminate idiots from participating in the democratic process, start at the registration stage. The number of people who can't write their correct house number  |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 5, 2023 22:42:26 GMT
Yay, a BBC By-election special.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 5, 2023 22:46:41 GMT
But all of that is a 'good thing' surely? They don't read the instructions or they don't understand them? Thus, they identify as fools or stupid, or both? Their votes are rejected and not counted. Result. Win-Win! If we're going to eliminate idiots from participating in the democratic process, start at the registration stage. The number of people who can't write their correct house number ok. like it. as many filters as you like. personal application. english fluency. politics test. economics test. logic test. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 5, 2023 22:47:50 GMT
In terms of low turn-out reasons I can confirm the weather here is abysmal
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 5, 2023 22:49:13 GMT
Keith Brown, what a nasty piece of work. Comes across as a poor loser
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 5, 2023 22:58:04 GMT
Yay, a BBC By-election special. BBC Scotland seem to enjoy these more than BBC UK/News. |
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 5, 2023 23:00:07 GMT
total votes cast 30531
Turnout 37.19%
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Post by stb12 on Oct 5, 2023 23:01:57 GMT
Keith Brown, what a nasty piece of work. Comes across as a poor loser What did he say? |
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Post by piperdave on Oct 5, 2023 23:02:02 GMT
If we're going to eliminate idiots from participating in the democratic process, start at the registration stage. The number of people who can't write their correct house number ok. like it. as many filters as you like. personal application. english fluency. politics test. economics test. logic test. I'm a firm believer in one man, one vote. Lord Vetinari is the man and he has the vote! |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 5, 2023 23:11:12 GMT
ok. like it. as many filters as you like. personal application. english fluency. politics test. economics test. logic test. I'm a firm believer in one man, one vote. Lord Vetinari is the man and he has the vote! I don't know what that means and I don't much care so don't feel obliged to explain. I am astonished that as many vote, for all the good it does or the changes it makes to anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 23:22:25 GMT
ok. like it. as many filters as you like. personal application. english fluency. politics test. economics test. logic test. I'm a firm believer in one man, one vote. Lord Vetinari is the man and he has the vote! And anyone else caught trying to "vote" gets sent to the kittens |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Oct 5, 2023 23:23:21 GMT
On the BBC's election coverage there was mention of a 7% Labour lead with the Conservatives losing their deposit.
This wouldn't be an incredibly good result for Labour relative to how they have been performing in the opinion polls
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 5, 2023 23:25:31 GMT
A 7% Labour lead would be just over a 2,000 vote majority.
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 5, 2023 23:29:40 GMT
On the BBC's election coverage there was mention of a 7% Labour lead with the Conservatives losing their deposit. This wouldn't be an incredibly good result for Labour relative to how they have been performing in the opinion polls didn't the Tories get 15% or something here? Assuming that vote all went to labour what would the snp to labour switch be? About 3.5% |
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