peterl
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Post by peterl on Sept 9, 2023 21:25:46 GMT
That seems a fairly reasonable prediction at this stage. I would guess a slightly better performance for the LDs, maybe getting third place.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 12, 2023 15:07:32 GMT
When is the SOPN for this by-election going to be released? Nominations have now closed but the election timetable on South Lanarkshire Council's website does not indicate when the SOPN will be released.
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 12, 2023 16:53:48 GMT
When is the SOPN for this by-election going to be released? Nominations have now closed but the election timetable on South Lanarkshire Council's website does not indicate when the SOPN will be released. It's up now: www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/info/200237/elections/2174/rutherglen_and_hamilton_west_by-election_-_thursday_5_october_2023/2Gloria Adebo (Lib Dem) Bill Bonnar (Scottish Socialist Party) Garry Patrick Cooke (no description) Andrew Vincent Daly (Independent) Cameron Eadie (Scottish Green) Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description) Niall Fraser (Scottish Family Party) Ewan Hoyle (Volt UK) Thomas Jordan Kerr (Con) Katy Loudon (SNP) Christopher Anthony Sermanni (TUSC) Michael Shanks (Lab) David Stark (Reform UK) Colette Walker (Independence for Scotland Party) |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 12, 2023 17:25:46 GMT
When is the SOPN for this by-election going to be released? Nominations have now closed but the election timetable on South Lanarkshire Council's website does not indicate when the SOPN will be released. It's up now: www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/info/200237/elections/2174/rutherglen_and_hamilton_west_by-election_-_thursday_5_october_2023/2Gloria Adebo (Lib Dem) Bill Bonnar (Scottish Socialist Party) Garry Patrick Cooke (no description) Andrew Vincent Daly (Independent) Cameron Eadie (Scottish Green) Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description) Niall Fraser (Scottish Family Party) Ewan Hoyle (Volt UK) Thomas Jordan Kerr (Con) Katy Loudon (SNP) Christopher Anthony Sermanni (TUSC) Michael Shanks (Lab) David Stark (Reform UK) Colette Walker (Independence for Scotland Party) "Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description)" Oh yeah, this is what we're after. |
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 12, 2023 17:36:01 GMT
"Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description)" Oh yeah, this is what we're after. When he stood in Richmond Park in 2016 he was merely claiming to be the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 12, 2023 17:37:15 GMT
"Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description)" Oh yeah, this is what we're after. When he stood in Richmond Park in 2016 he was merely claiming to be the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir. A man has to aim as high as the current economic situation allows. |
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 12, 2023 17:39:37 GMT
Possible twitter feeds for the Independent/no description candidates: Garry Patrick Cooke (nb his tweets are mostly in Gaelic) Andrew V Daly(neither mentions the by-election, though, so these identifications might be off) |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 12, 2023 17:56:27 GMT
Possible twitter feeds for the Independent/no description candidates: Garry Patrick Cooke (nb his tweets are mostly in Gaelic) Andrew V Daly(neither mentions the by-election, though, so these identifications might be off) And is this constituency a hotbed of Gaelic speakers? |
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 12, 2023 18:34:52 GMT
Possible twitter feeds for the Independent/no description candidates: Garry Patrick Cooke (nb his tweets are mostly in Gaelic) Andrew V Daly(neither mentions the by-election, though, so these identifications might be off) And is this constituency a hotbed of Gaelic speakers? Probably more than will vote for him. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 12, 2023 19:28:23 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 12, 2023 20:29:31 GMT
"Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description)" Oh yeah, this is what we're after. When he stood in Richmond Park in 2016 he was merely claiming to be the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir. I would like to see it made a legal necessity to use your full given name as on the birth certificate and for any deviation for marriage to be proved by documentation that is fully followed up and verified. No dropping of names, altering of names or adding to names for any reason. No short version or nick name or 'Known As' names. And no alteration by deed poll unless more than two years prior to the election. And certainly no titles or daft emphemera of this nature. Make it a criminal offence to do any of those things plus the voidance of the election in the event of them winning. |
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Post by ColinJ on Sept 12, 2023 20:39:30 GMT
When he stood in Richmond Park in 2016 he was merely claiming to be the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir. I would like to see it made a legal necessity to use your full given name as on the birth certificate and for any deviation for marriage to be proved by documentation that is fully followed up and verified. No dropping of names, altering of names or adding to names for any reason. No shrort version or nick name or 'Known As' names. And no alteration by deed poll unless more than two years prior to the election. And certainly no titles or daft emphemera of this nature. Make it a criminal offence to do any of those things plus the voidance of the election in the event of them winning. Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. |
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Post by peterl on Sept 12, 2023 21:10:15 GMT
I would like to see it made a legal necessity to use your full given name as on the birth certificate and for any deviation for marriage to be proved by documentation that is fully followed up and verified. No dropping of names, altering of names or adding to names for any reason. No shrort version or nick name or 'Known As' names. And no alteration by deed poll unless more than two years prior to the election. And certainly no titles or daft emphemera of this nature. Make it a criminal offence to do any of those things plus the voidance of the election in the event of them winning. Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. However, for every Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India, there's a Timothy who everyone knows as Tim, an Elizabeth who everyone calls Liz, a Michael better known as Mike. That is what "commonly known as" was intended for, and that's quite reasonable. As is leaving out middle names if you wish. This can actually make it easier to know who it is that's standing. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 12, 2023 21:37:50 GMT
I would like to see it made a legal necessity to use your full given name as on the birth certificate and for any deviation for marriage to be proved by documentation that is fully followed up and verified. No dropping of names, altering of names or adding to names for any reason. No shrort version or nick name or 'Known As' names. And no alteration by deed poll unless more than two years prior to the election. And certainly no titles or daft emphemera of this nature. Make it a criminal offence to do any of those things plus the voidance of the election in the event of them winning. Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. I wouldn’t be as strict as carlton43, but the use of “known as” names has increased a lot in recent years, and has been abused with nonsensical descriptions. I think that individual candidates are doing it as a substitute for using a party name (there has been a corresponding increase in “Independent” or no-description candidates). I suspect that this is essentially because self-important weirdos are not organised enough to be able to register their parties properly, thereby properly registering a party name. In other words, they can’t find a second person willing to be the party’s other registered officer. |
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Post by peterl on Sept 12, 2023 21:42:29 GMT
Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. I wouldn’t be as strict as carlton43, but the use of “known as” names has increased a lot in recent years, and has been abused with nonsensical descriptions. I think that individual candidates are doing it as a substitute for using a party name (there has been a corresponding increase in “Independent” or no-description candidates). I suspect that this is essentially because self-important weirdos are not organised enough to be able to register their parties properly, thereby properly registering a party name. In other words, they can’t find a second person willing to be the party’s other registered officer. Good business opportunity for someone there. Professional party officer. They could handle the registration, do the accounts, leaving the self-important weirdos free to do what they do best, presumably showing up to counts in strange outfits. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 13, 2023 6:34:48 GMT
When is the SOPN for this by-election going to be released? Nominations have now closed but the election timetable on South Lanarkshire Council's website does not indicate when the SOPN will be released. It's up now: www.southlanarkshire.gov.uk/info/200237/elections/2174/rutherglen_and_hamilton_west_by-election_-_thursday_5_october_2023/2Gloria Adebo (Lib Dem) Bill Bonnar (Scottish Socialist Party) Garry Patrick Cooke (no description) Andrew Vincent Daly (Independent) Cameron Eadie (Scottish Green) Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India (no description) Niall Fraser (Scottish Family Party) Ewan Hoyle (Volt UK) Thomas Jordan Kerr (Con) Katy Loudon (SNP) Christopher Anthony Sermanni (TUSC) Michael Shanks (Lab) David Stark (Reform UK) Colette Walker (Independence for Scotland Party) This list has just set the record for highest number of candidates in a Scottish parliamentary by election  |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 13, 2023 9:54:32 GMT
Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. Find it hard to get too bothered about this tbh, some of these people are irritating nuisances but others are genuinely inspired (Lord Buckethead for example) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 13, 2023 10:08:51 GMT
Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. Find it hard to get too bothered about this tbh, some of these people are irritating nuisances but others are genuinely inspired (Lord Buckethead for example) Really? In what way is Lord Buckethead 'inspired' or any less of a slightly tedious distraction than other candidates of the type? The candidate who has stood under that name at the last couple of elections totally nicked the 'character' from one from 30 years ago and all of these types are ultimately inspired by Lord Sutch. Its all pretty old and unfunny now - even our resident loony seems to think so. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 13, 2023 10:14:09 GMT
Well, maybe. I still find it difficult to get exercised about, compared to certain other abuses of our election culture.
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 13, 2023 10:29:03 GMT
Absolutely spot on. That Monty Python sketch has left us with a terrible legacy of candidates taking the mickey out of our democratic system with their narcissistic, ridiculous, contorted changes of name. Find it hard to get too bothered about this tbh, some of these people are irritating nuisances but others are genuinely inspired (Lord Buckethead for example) I’m not bothered by the obvious joke candidates but I don’t like the way that some candidates (notably a couple in Uxbridge & South Ruislip or “Corbyn Anti” in Batley & Spen 2016) use the “commonly known as” as a way of incorporating a slogan into their names, and I would be very surprised if any of those people were literally commonly known by those names. I do think that Mary Elizabeth Truss, say, should be allowed to stand under the name by which she really is commonly known, though. |
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