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Post by yellowperil on Jun 30, 2023 6:45:48 GMT
Looking back at Sherborne West, I can see by hindsight that was a more difficult hold than originally it appeared. Then I think back to when I knew that area very well indeed as a child and I cannot conceive how it could ever be anything but Tory. Then,thinking about the Haringey ward which I knew equally well in my late teens ( Eileen worked at St Anne's hospital for a while) it would be difficult to imagine it anything but Labour. And of course it still is.
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Post by andrewp on Jun 30, 2023 6:58:17 GMT
Looking back at Sherborne West, I can see by hindsight that was a more difficult hold than originally it appeared. Then I think back to when I knew that area very well indeed as a child and I cannot conceive how it could ever be anything but Tory. Then,thinking about the Haringey ward which I knew equally well in my late teens ( Eileen worked at St Anne's hospital for a while) it would be difficult to imagine it anything but Labour. And of course it still is. Presumably the reason for the election in Sherborne ( sitting councillor had moved to Devon and been elected there) might have been a factor in a slightly poor result for the Lib Dems. I wonder if his apparent lie about being a paper candidate in Exmouth was spotted or noticed by anyone in Sherborne- I doubt it. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 30, 2023 7:14:22 GMT
Looking back at Sherborne West, I can see by hindsight that was a more difficult hold than originally it appeared. Then I think back to when I knew that area very well indeed as a child and I cannot conceive how it could ever be anything but Tory. Then,thinking about the Haringey ward which I knew equally well in my late teens ( Eileen worked at St Anne's hospital for a while) it would be difficult to imagine it anything but Labour. And of course it still is. Presumably the reason for the election in Sherborne ( sitting councillor had moved to Devon and been elected there) might have been a factor in a slightly poor result for the Lib Dems. I wonder if his apparent lie about being a paper candidate in Exmouth was spotted or noticed by anyone in Sherborne- I doubt it. I guess it would depend if either of the other parties decided to highlight it in the campaign. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 30, 2023 8:31:51 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 30, 2023 8:43:43 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. Both of these byelections were in normally safe Labour wards, that are within boroughs with entrenched Liberal Democrat areas. Lib Dem activists redeployed to fight wards that they had ignored in the full council elections, so their vote rose. The important fact is that in both, the Lib Dem vote rose by relatively small amounts and Labour's hold was not really challenged. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 30, 2023 8:52:46 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. Indeed. The Haringey Greens seemed finally to have got their act together at the last set of council elections, and targetted pretty ruthlessly , without (sadly for them) winning a seat. They should really have been in a good place to retain second and push on a bit, but though second place was held, there was a decrease in their %. And Southwark has been quite a bit stronger for the Greens than Haringey (sounds weird, but true), so potentially that's worse.
In other by election news, i got a reminder about the by election in my inbox this morning. Someone obviously scheduled the "it's polling day!" e-mail for the day of the by election, rather than the day before the by election. oops.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 30, 2023 8:57:59 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. Indeed. The Haringey Greens seemed finally to have got their act together at the last set of council elections, and targetted pretty ruthlessly , without (sadly for them) winning a seat. They should really have been in a good place to retain second and push on a bit, but though second place was held, there was a decrease in their %. And Southwark has been quite a bit stronger for the Greens than Haringey (sounds weird, but true), so potentially that's worse.
In other by election news, i got a reminder about the by election in my inbox this morning. Someone obviously scheduled the "it's polling day!" e-mail for the day of the by election, rather than the day before the by election. oops.
Which party sent the reminder? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 30, 2023 8:59:10 GMT
Indeed. The Haringey Greens seemed finally to have got their act together at the last set of council elections, and targetted pretty ruthlessly , without (sadly for them) winning a seat. They should really have been in a good place to retain second and push on a bit, but though second place was held, there was a decrease in their %. And Southwark has been quite a bit stronger for the Greens than Haringey (sounds weird, but true), so potentially that's worse.
In other by election news, i got a reminder about the by election in my inbox this morning. Someone obviously scheduled the "it's polling day!" e-mail for the day of the by election, rather than the day before the by election. oops.
Which party sent the reminder? Which one would you think sent me a reminder, given that i'm a Labour party member in Haringey?  |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 30, 2023 9:08:20 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. Indeed. The Haringey Greens seemed finally to have got their act together at the last set of council elections, and targetted pretty ruthlessly , without (sadly for them) winning a seat. They should really have been in a good place to retain second and push on a bit, but though second place was held, there was a decrease in their %. And Southwark has been quite a bit stronger for the Greens than Haringey (sounds weird, but true), so potentially that's worse.
In other by election news, i got a reminder about the by election in my inbox this morning. Someone obviously scheduled the "it's polling day!" e-mail for the day of the by election, rather than the day before the by election. oops.
We were a long way behind the leading Green candidate in the full election in Haringey. Not so now. But it's pleasing to reclaim second place in Southwark. In reality, for us these elections were about setting a narrative of forward movement rather than expecting to win either seat. I think that was achieved. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 30, 2023 9:27:04 GMT
I make that Con 63.1,% LD 33.4%, Lab 3.5%. What, if anything, was this post meant to say? |
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 30, 2023 9:34:10 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. I'm wondering if the events of 11am yesterday at Lord's was fresh in the minds of voters when they went to the polling station?
Of course, the Greens wouldnt necessarily condone the Just Stop Oil protestors (?), but they will be tarred with the same brush by many (rightly or wrongly)
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 30, 2023 9:35:13 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. I'm wondering if the events of 11am yesterday at Lord's was fresh in the minds of voters when they went to the polling station?
Of course, the Greens wouldnt necessarily condone the Just Stop Oil protestors (?), but they will be tarred with the same brush by many (rightly or wrongly)
I seriously doubt if that made even a tiny difference. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 30, 2023 9:41:41 GMT
Interesting to see the Greens going backwards and the Lib Dems improving in the two London by-elections. I'm wondering if the events of 11am yesterday at Lord's was fresh in the minds of voters when they went to the polling station?
Of course, the Greens wouldnt necessarily condone the Just Stop Oil protestors (?), but they will be tarred with the same brush by many (rightly or wrongly)
I doubt whether it crossed anybody’s mind, but if so you could make the argument that as one of their major donors also donates substantial amounts to the Labour Party there should have been a backlash towards Labour as well. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 30, 2023 10:07:20 GMT
The pattern in those two London by-elections is pretty similar to some other recent London by-elections and no real surprise - areas where the Greens were in a distant second, but in those particular wards there was either a lack of strength or a lack of effort whilst the Lib Dems are able to produce a better campaign and result.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Newham, where there maybe isn't the same Lib Dem residual strength and the Greens seem to be actively working at least one of the wards.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 30, 2023 10:22:35 GMT
BCP East Cliff and Springbourne is a Green Party gain from Labour.
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 30, 2023 10:30:49 GMT
What, if anything, was this post meant to say? That I'd pressed too many buttons? Sorry, deleted now (Guess I was inserting the change percentages, but I'd already done that. I was very tired last night!) |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 30, 2023 10:37:09 GMT
BCP East Cliff and Springbourne is a Green Party gain from Labour. Oddly enough, I guess that's the result the Lib Dems wanted. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 30, 2023 11:00:31 GMT
More evidence that resigning your seat almost straight away rarely goes down well, especially with no real convincing reason as in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 11:19:05 GMT
That is a much worse result for Labour than having won 1/2 (or is it 2/3?) seats in the ward at the regular election would have been
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Post by greenman on Jun 30, 2023 14:22:16 GMT
Think it is interesting that all but 13 voters showed up for the Greens compared to the May 4th election. In contrast 228 fewer showed up for Conservatives, 291 fewer for Labour and 131 fewer Liberal Democrats. He or she who wins has to have the votes. Obviously Greens felt motivated to vote.
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