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Post by jamesdoyle on Feb 10, 2023 11:03:32 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley)
Con 808 69.00%
Lab 285 24.34%
Grn 78 6.66%
From Dartford Council website
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 10, 2023 11:07:26 GMT
The winner in Cheltenham is one for the good looking councillors thread: What a nice young man! There must indeed be something in the water in Cheltenham for the current MP is rather dishy too! |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Feb 10, 2023 11:08:41 GMT
GWBWI
LDm +145
Lab +21
Grn +1
Con -84
Lab decent in Hertfordshire, but nearly cancelled out by poor in Denbighshire.
Con very poor in Cheltenham and North Yorkshire, but some positive in Dartford and Denbighshire.
LDm very good in Cheltenham and North Yorkshire - although interestingly North Yorkshire is signficantly better (+87) than Cheltenham (+58), while for the Cons Cheltenham (-81) is worse than North Yorkshire (-69)
ASV
LDm +2.4
Lab +0.4
Grn +0.0
Con -1.4
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 10, 2023 11:12:17 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley) Con 808 69.00% Lab 285 24.34% Grn 78 6.66% From Dartford Council website Life in the southern foothills of Dartford continues much as usual. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 10, 2023 11:12:23 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley) Con 808 69.00% Lab 285 24.34% Grn 78 6.66% From Dartford Council website Think that may be a small Tory to Labour swing from the byelection a year ago, though LibDems did better then than the Greens have now. |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 10, 2023 11:19:24 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley) Con 808 69.00% Lab 285 24.34% Grn 78 6.66% From Dartford Council website Think that may be a small Tory to Labour swing from the byelection a year ago, though LibDems did better then than the Greens have now. About a 2.5% swing from Jan 22. Lab up about 6% , the Con vote up about 1%. |
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Post by mattb on Feb 10, 2023 11:22:14 GMT
That looks like a very good Labour performance. I was concerned there were some problems for us in the division, as I had received numerous email appeals for help. I hope someone will calculate the % shares and swing ...... Double figure swing to Labour since 2021. Also a strongish Green performance (up a few points since then) which may have had Labour guarding against complacency. Greens will have been helped by lack of LD. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 11:28:23 GMT
She stood as an Indy in May, beating the LDs into third place, so I expect there was some pragmatic recruitment by the local party. Indeed, the result is pretty close to last May's if you add the Indy vote to the Lib Dem one, and allow for a bit more Tory slide. So @carlton is a bit wrong when he says "far more a vote", etc, it's rather closer to 50/50 than that suggests. On the Upper Class thing ("he looks down on him", etc) I seem to remember it was always thus in the more feudal bits of Yorkshire- I remember spending some time campaigning in those parts in the earliest days of the Lib Dems (even before they were so called) and being surprised at the support and influence of the great aristocratic (Whiggish?) families. Nor is this confined to Yorkshire- I'm remembering a famous victory in the more feudal parts of Kent where it pays to have the local aristocracy as the Lib Dem candidate- I am thinking Penshurst and Chiddingstone. Of course the added piquancy in the Masham case is the family connection to old style Toryism rather than Whiggery, what one might term Whitelawry. It might well be that that sort of old style Toryism which despises the spivvery of present day so-called Conservatism might find more in common with Liberal Democracy. No. I am entirely correct. I know that area well. That was entirely a vote for her 'despite the noxious branding'! |
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Post by Clark on Feb 10, 2023 12:25:51 GMT
The divisions were smaller back then but I think Labour would've won this Dartford ward back in 1996 and possibly after too. Certainly Wilmington had a decent Labour vote back then with the Hawley and Sutton-at-Home areas stronger for the Tories. But in recent years, all areas are now strongly Conservative
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Post by andrewp on Feb 10, 2023 12:32:42 GMT
The divisions were smaller back then but I think Labour would've won this Dartford ward back in 1996 and possibly after too. Certainly Wilmington had a decent Labour vote back then with the Hawley and Sutton-at-Home areas stronger for the Tories. But in recent years, all areas are now strongly Conservative No idea if the boundaries match completely but the 3 wards of Wilmington East, Wilmington West and Sutton at Hone & Hawley total votes at the 1995 locals were Lab 1484 Con 1449 |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley) Con 808 69.00% Lab 285 24.34% Grn 78 6.66% From Dartford Council website That is a rather good result for them. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 10, 2023 12:55:17 GMT
The divisions were smaller back then but I think Labour would've won this Dartford ward back in 1996 and possibly after too. Certainly Wilmington had a decent Labour vote back then with the Hawley and Sutton-at-Home areas stronger for the Tories. But in recent years, all areas are now strongly Conservative No idea if the boundaries match completely but the 3 wards of Wilmington East, Wilmington West and Sutton at Hone & Hawley total votes at the 1995 locals were Lab 1484 Con 1449 The old Wilmington West wasrd is now in Joydens Wood ward and much of Wilmington East is in Princes ward |
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Post by anthonyjwells on Feb 10, 2023 14:02:21 GMT
As Pete says, the old Wilmington West ward (where I grew up, FWIW) is now wholly in Joydens Wood or Maypole & Leyton Cross wards these days.
Wilmington Central is almost wholly in the current Wilmington, SAH & Hawley ward. Wilmington East is mostly in the current W,SAH&H ward (Walnut Tree Avenue, northern side of the Hawley Road & the Powder Mill Lane development are now in Princes, though the last of those hadn't been built yet in 1995/1999). There's a little bit of Princes that's now in Wilmington too around Oakfield Park Road.
A little bit of blurring at the border of Wilmington East, but generally speaking the current ward is pretty comparable to the combination of Wilmington East, Wilmington Central and Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley. So would have been CON 52%, LAB 48% in 1999, LAB 55%, CON 41%, LD 4% in 1995 (looking through the 1999 results I know almost all the candidates there. Does that make me old, or do local government people just last forever?)
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Post by r34t on Feb 10, 2023 14:04:06 GMT
Indeed, the result is pretty close to last May's if you add the Indy vote to the Lib Dem one, and allow for a bit more Tory slide. So @carlton is a bit wrong when he says "far more a vote", etc, it's rather closer to 50/50 than that suggests. On the Upper Class thing ("he looks down on him", etc) I seem to remember it was always thus in the more feudal bits of Yorkshire- I remember spending some time campaigning in those parts in the earliest days of the Lib Dems (even before they were so called) and being surprised at the support and influence of the great aristocratic (Whiggish?) families. Nor is this confined to Yorkshire- I'm remembering a famous victory in the more feudal parts of Kent where it pays to have the local aristocracy as the Lib Dem candidate- I am thinking Penshurst and Chiddingstone. Of course the added piquancy in the Masham case is the family connection to old style Toryism rather than Whiggery, what one might term Whitelawry. It might well be that that sort of old style Toryism which despises the spivvery of present day so-called Conservatism might find more in common with Liberal Democracy. No. I am entirely correct. I know that area well. That was entirely a vote for her 'despite the noxious branding'! Well, I’m just a few miles down the road in Leyburn. In the pub last night it’s more about ‘anyone but the bloody Tories’ than any ‘noxious branding’ &/or personal vote. Sunak used to be popular locally, a lot less so now. |
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Post by maxque on Feb 10, 2023 15:40:48 GMT
Well that's a nasty shock. Though this being West Merseyside North Wales probably has very little to do with actual party politics as that seems to be virtually irrelevant to local elections there The vacancy came from the death of a very long-serving, presumably popular, Labour member. The Tory had been a councillor for the ward. Not sure where the Labour candidate came from within Rhyl. A wider range of choices than in the main election. But certainly a resilient Tory vote (which was what was required) in times where getting their vote out must be hard. One can also wonder about the impact of a Conservative candidate living in the middle of the ward vs. a Labour candidate with "address in Denbighshire". |
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Post by batman on Feb 10, 2023 15:48:46 GMT
I see that Labour won the community council by-election for the same ward by 7 votes...
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 16:09:36 GMT
No. I am entirely correct. I know that area well. That was entirely a vote for her 'despite the noxious branding'! Well, I’m just a few miles down the road in Leyburn. In the pub last night it’s more about ‘anyone but the bloody Tories’ than any ‘noxious branding’ &/or personal vote. Sunak used to be popular locally, a lot less so now. Dear Chap! Don't take it to heart. A little light badinage. Relax! Enjoy! You are winning for once. It doesn't happen often. |
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Post by manchesterman on Feb 10, 2023 21:18:58 GMT
Did I read that correctly that the LD candidate polled FIVE votes in the Rhyl seat! So that's the candidate, their agent, their partner and their parents!  |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 10, 2023 21:24:05 GMT
Did I read that correctly that the LD candidate polled FIVE votes in the Rhyl seat! So that's the candidate, their agent, their partner and their parents! Well the candidate lived in Prestatyn ( probably part of the reason that they polled so few votes) so that probably rules out at least 2 of your suspects! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 10, 2023 21:47:40 GMT
She stood as an Indy in May, beating the LDs into third place, so I expect there was some pragmatic recruitment by the local party. Indeed, the result is pretty close to last May's if you add the Indy vote to the Lib Dem one, and allow for a bit more Tory slide. So @carlton is a bit wrong when he says "far more a vote", etc, it's rather closer to 50/50 than that suggests. On the Upper Class thing ("he looks down on him", etc) I seem to remember it was always thus in the more feudal bits of Yorkshire- I remember spending some time campaigning in those parts in the earliest days of the Lib Dems (even before they were so called) and being surprised at the support and influence of the great aristocratic (Whiggish?) families. Nor is this confined to Yorkshire- I'm remembering a famous victory in the more feudal parts of Kent where it pays to have the local aristocracy as the Lib Dem candidate- I am thinking Penshurst and Chiddingstone. Of course the added piquancy in the Masham case is the family connection to old style Toryism rather than Whiggery, what one might term Whitelawry. It might well be that that sort of old style Toryism which despises the spivvery of present day so-called Conservatism might find more in common with Liberal Democracy. One of the Pennant family (as in Penrhyn Castle and Quarry) stood as a Lib Dem candidate in Bangor a few years ago; quite remarkable given the history of the family. |
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