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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 21:47:44 GMT
People's losing 5.5 points with a third of the vote counted (compared to 3.6 points in the exit poll), EP up 4.1 points.
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 22:00:35 GMT
With 40% counted:
Equality 26.0
Union 23.4
People's 20.2
Republic 16.4
Centre 6.4
Progress 4.2
Self-Government 3.4
That's without any of the three urban polling stations reporting.
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 22:09:09 GMT
With 51% counted and only missing the three urban polling stations it is:
Equality 24.8
Union 24.1
People's 20.4
Republic 15.4
Centre 7.1
Progress 4.7
Self-Government 3.5
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 22:12:40 GMT
With 51% counted and only missing the three urban polling stations it is: Equality 24.8 Union 24.1 People's 20.4 Republic 15.4 Centre 7.1 Progress 4.7 Self-Government 3.5 People's are down 6.1 points in the rural areas, Self-Government 1 p., Union 0.7, Republic down 0.5 p. Equality up 4.8 points, Progress up 2 p., Centre 1.5 |
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 22:44:27 GMT
Klaksvík with nearly 10% of the vote has been counted. It's a People's Party stronghold and the new chairman's hometown, but they're down 5 points from 48.2% to 43.2%, Self-Government loses 2.8 p. and EP gains 3.4 and Centre 2.1
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 22:49:14 GMT
With nearly 61% counted and only missing the two polling stations in the capital it is:
People's 24.1
Equality 24.0
Union 22.4
Republic 14.7
Centre 7.1
Progress 4.2
Self-Government 3.6
Tórshavn will move this significantly to the left.
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Post by nelson on Dec 8, 2022 23:20:34 GMT
People's down 7.7 points from 19.5 to 11.8 in the Tórshavn suburb Argir, a bad omen for their chances in (the rest of) Tórshavn.
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 9, 2022 0:36:39 GMT
Television cameras getting this close to ballot papers in the UK would be unthinkable.  [/url][/quote] at one point, as the count was actively progressing, the reporter strolled between the counting tables, touching every batch of ballot papers on each table using her metal stylus as she counted the respective batch totals, this whilst the counting staff were still right in the middle of the counting process themselves. |
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Post by nelson on Dec 9, 2022 8:56:26 GMT
The final national result was much closer to what was expected at the start of the campaign (before the "shock polls" immediately after the initial chaos in the People's Party that) than to the last polls. The People's Party did get clobbered and Republic ended up below the two unionist parties. What was real was the Union Party having a mediocre election resulting in a small loss.
It was a bad election for People's Party defector Annika Olsen, her presence on their list resulted in a net loss for Republic that lost 1.5 points in Tórshavn with the mayor on their list and 0.8 point in Argir. The People's Party's share of the vote in Tórshavn (excl. Argir) was 35.6% lower than last time, but the winner were Progress (going from 8.4% to 12.8%), not Republic which clearly lost leftist votes to EP (that gained 3.1 points).
Self-Government ended up closer to the threshold than expected at the start of the campaign and clearly gained during the campaign, but still came up short and unless there's a snap election this is probably the end for the oldest political party on the islands, a lot of their top names are 65+ and will likely not run again nationally.
winners:
Equality Party 26.6 (+4.1)
Progress 7.5 (+2.8)
Centre 6.6 (+1.1)
losers:
People's Party 18.9 (-6.0)
Self-Government 2.7 (-0.7)
Republic 17.7 (-0.7)
Union Party 20.0 (-0.7)
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Conservative parties (PP, C, SG): 28.2 (-5.6)
Liberal parties (UP, P): 27.5 (+2.2)
Centre-left (EP, R): 44.3 (+3.4)
(four parties are close to another decimal so it doesn't 100% add up with the party results above)
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Post by nelson on Dec 9, 2022 9:13:48 GMT
Looking at government formation Progress did become the kingmakers, which likely means a SocDem/Liberal coalition. EP and UP got 16 seats combined and need at least one more for their broad coalition, which Progress with their three seats will likely deliver. EP/Republic have 15 seats combined and a redux of their 2015-19 coalition with Progress would have 18 seats. There's no viable centre-right majority because Centre and Progress can't be in the same government, and the Union Party doesn't want to depend on Centre again anyway (given what triggered the election). The Equality Party did reelect "Red SoCon" Henrik Old from Suduroy (he finish 8th of the 9 elected), which is a problem if they want to do something about abortion, but he can't block legislation on his own.
Equality Party: 9
Union Party: 7
Progress: 3
Republic: 6
People's Party: 6
Centre: 2
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Post by nelson on Dec 9, 2022 14:48:35 GMT
Looking at government formation Progress did become the kingmakers, which likely means a SocDem/Liberal coalition. EP and UP got 16 seats combined and need at least one more for their broad coalition, which Progress with their three seats will likely deliver. EP/Republic have 15 seats combined and a redux of their 2015-19 coalition with Progress would have 18 seats. EP leader Aksel V. Johannesen (almost certain to become the new Premier, as he was 2015-19) has started out negotiating with Republic and Progress, so that'll be the first option pursued. Progress leader Ruth Vang has said that "this combination has worked well before", and it looks like Progress may prefer to go left rather than governing with both the two unionist parties (a poll I posted on the first page of the thread showed the latter is slightly more popular with their voters with 47% saying UP is a good coalition partner and 42% that Republic is). |
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Post by nelson on Dec 10, 2022 13:52:06 GMT
Bárður á Steig Nielsen from the Union Party has stepped down as Premier after having received a reply from EP chairman Aksel V. Johannesen saying that EP and Progress will first look into the possibilities of forming a coalition with Republic, Steig Nielsen says the Union Party is ready to join a coalition with EP and Progress if the two parties do not come to an agreement with Republic.
There'll now be a "chairman round" where the chairman of the Løgting consults with the party leaders about their preferences and nominate a negotiation leader who'll lead the government formation process (which will be Aksel V. Johannesen).
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Post by nelson on Dec 12, 2022 11:47:20 GMT
Looking at government formation Progress did become the kingmakers, which likely means a SocDem/Liberal coalition. EP and UP got 16 seats combined and need at least one more for their broad coalition, which Progress with their three seats will likely deliver. EP/Republic have 15 seats combined and a redux of their 2015-19 coalition with Progress would have 18 seats. EP leader Aksel V. Johannesen (almost certain to become the new Premier, as he was 2015-19) has started out negotiating with Republic and Progress, so that'll be the first option pursued. Progress leader Ruth Vang has said that "this combination has worked well before", and it looks like Progress may prefer to go left rather than governing with both the two unionist parties (a poll I posted on the first page of the thread showed the latter is slightly more popular with their voters with 47% saying UP is a good coalition partner and 42% that Republic is). That turned out to be an overinterpretation of her words by some Faroese commentators, Ruth Vang has today informed the Chairman of the Løgting that Progress' preferred coalition is with EP and the Union Party. EP leader Aksel V. Johannesen was as expected appointed negotiation leader, he got nominated by 25 MPs (incl. the Union Party) with only the People's Party and Centre not supporting him. |
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Post by matureleft on Dec 12, 2022 12:02:26 GMT
EP leader Aksel V. Johannesen (almost certain to become the new Premier, as he was 2015-19) has started out negotiating with Republic and Progress, so that'll be the first option pursued. Progress leader Ruth Vang has said that "this combination has worked well before", and it looks like Progress may prefer to go left rather than governing with both the two unionist parties (a poll I posted on the first page of the thread showed the latter is slightly more popular with their voters with 47% saying UP is a good coalition partner and 42% that Republic is). That turned out to be an overinterpretation of her words by some Faroese commentators, Ruth Vang has today informed the Chairman of the Løgting that Progress' preferred coalition is with EP and the Union Party. EP leader Aksel V. Johannesen was as expected appointed negotiation leader, he got nominated by 25 MPs (incl. the Union Party) with only the People's Party and Centre not supporting him. Thank you for your updates on this. Please don’t take the limited response as a lack of interest! |
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Post by nelson on Dec 13, 2022 15:36:05 GMT
The government negotiations have moved fast and according to Aksel V. Johannessen the three parties have agreed on most of the 13 overarching issues in the consultations, with only the classic socio-economic core issues of social policy and taxation plus agricultural policy (where the Union Party represents the farmers and Progress wants liberalisation and an end to all kinds of protectionism) remaining. While those are difficult issues where the parties have substantial differences everyone seems to expect the negotiations to be successful and a broad coalition to be formed before Christmas.
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Post by nelson on Dec 14, 2022 6:54:34 GMT
The government negotiations have moved fast and according to Aksel V. Johannessen the three parties have agreed on most of the 13 overarching issues in the consultations, with only the classic socio-economic core issues of social policy and taxation plus agricultural policy (where the Union Party represents the farmers and Progress wants liberalisation and an end to all kinds of protectionism) remaining. While those are difficult issues where the parties have substantial differences everyone seems to expect the negotiations to be successful and a broad coalition to be formed before Christmas. and then they suddenly fell apart over the issue of the annual £75 mio. Danish state grant, which isn't that big anymore (a sixth of the one to the much poorer Greenland) but a bone of contention since eliminating it is a requirement for independence, and because a more centralised public sector incl. municipal reform is necessary to do without it (the islands have 29 municipalities, 50 schools and 3 hospitals for 54,000 inhabitants). During the recent fish farming and tourism boom the Faroe Islands had a higher GDP per capita than Denmark, which made the grant controversial, but with a coalition led by the Union Party no initiative was taken to do away with it and the Danish government didn't pursue the matter. As a separatist party Progress insists that the government should work towards gradually eliminating the grant, while the Union Party wants to try to negotiate an increase of it with the Danish government to deal with the effects of the cost of living crisis. Apparently both parties thought the other would give in on this. The Equality Party and Progress will now negotiate with Republic (which are even more keen on doing away with the state grant), while it would have been fairly easy to terminate the state grant during the boom years it'll be a lot harder now, but with two capital region based parties (Republic and Progress) they may be able to find a way, but EP has a lot of rural support esp. in the south and there'll be an internal backlash if they agree to forced municipal reform or cutting public services in the periphery. |
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Post by nelson on Dec 14, 2022 16:16:59 GMT
Well, the leader of the Union Party now says that they were prepared to compromise on their own policy and accept cutting the state grant, but that Progress' demanded cuts that were "unrealistically large" and "fiscally irresponsible", and that they hope EP and Progress will invite them back for further negotiations. This contradicts what Progress' said earlier about their disagreement.
EDIT: The Union Party was prepared to accept cutting 60 mio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 19:20:44 GMT
Thanks for these updates nelson. They're getting a lot of readership ("reach" as they call it on social media) even if the replies seem limited. They're little postcards from islands we don't hear anything about on the news and is a great advert for this forum. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 18, 2022 17:18:28 GMT
Thanks for these updates nelson. They're getting a lot of readership ("reach" as they call it on social media) even if the replies seem limited. They're little postcards from islands we don't hear anything about on the news and is a great advert for this forum. They're amazing islands. Absolutely incredible to visit. Lovely people as well. And obsessed with Cadburys Dairy Milk. |
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Post by nelson on Dec 18, 2022 17:28:00 GMT
The negotiators from EP, Republic and Progress agreed on a first draft of a government agreement earlier today and it'll now be presented to the parliamentary parties for comments (presumably after the world cup final..) and the party leaders will then meet tomorrow and discuss them and prepare a final draft. EP's chairman Aksel V. Johannesen says that the new government will be presented next week.
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