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Post by jamesdoyle on Nov 11, 2022 11:08:50 GMT
The vacancy on the IoW on the 24th looks at least doable for them, though the Greens might also fancy that one. Yes I missed that one. They should fancy that one I've seen on social media that the Greens are working that one quite a bit. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 11, 2022 11:12:19 GMT
KINGSTON UPON THAMES, Green Lane and St James - Kingston Ind Res Group gain from LD KIRG 855 LD 647 Lab 265 C 78 I have a feeling that we've not heard the end of this one. In terms of the result being contested for some reason? I understand from posts upthread and Andrew’s Preview that there was a somewhat questionable leaflet put out by the KIRG concerning the LD candidate’s muslim faith that earned a joint condemnation from all the other parties, and may be legally problematic. |
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Post by mrtoad on Nov 11, 2022 11:15:01 GMT
pretty unscrupulous is being pretty kind. An openly Islamophobic campaign waged by a local party whose leader was George Galloway's election agent. I hope that the gloves will come off now as despite my dislike of Lib Dems & Tories I'd far rather have them on the local council than the KIRG. Labour, better still, but we still have an uphill battle to regain our place on that council. Sure - don't take away my red font for this, but I would probably have voted tactically Lib Dem in this ward to try to defeat KIRG. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 11, 2022 11:21:02 GMT
In terms of the result being contested for some reason? I understand from posts upthread and Andrew’s Preview that there was a somewhat questionable leaflet put out by the KIRG concerning the LD candidate’s muslim faith that earned a joint condemnation from all the other parties, and may be legally problematic. Yes, I saw those. It depends how questionable the leaflet was, I guess. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 11, 2022 11:29:43 GMT
I understand from posts upthread and Andrew’s Preview that there was a somewhat questionable leaflet put out by the KIRG concerning the LD candidate’s muslim faith that earned a joint condemnation from all the other parties, and may be legally problematic. Yes, I saw those. It depends how questionable the leaflet was, I guess. Wasn't it featured somewhere upthread? Or a different thread? |
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Post by iang on Nov 11, 2022 11:37:44 GMT
Without betraying too many secrets, there's been some discussion in the yellow room on how our performance in recent weeks has been relatively poor, and in particular - like last night - concerns over the number of by-elections where we haven't put up a candidate. Some might be in the context of local deals and arrangements, particularly if it's where an anti-Tory coalition is running the council - but surely not all come into that catetgory
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Post by phil156 on Nov 11, 2022 12:01:04 GMT
Is it I and I have a fault in my system but I can only get down to Cannock Chase on Middleenglander fantastic results that are posted? I would like to see how South Kesteven
If it is person that does them that be ok I wait but if its my system then I will have to work on it
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 11, 2022 12:21:57 GMT
Not surprised by Cannock West given local trend and its history. First time that Labour has polled more than 30% in a non-two-way contest in twenty years there. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 11, 2022 12:30:04 GMT
Is it I and I have a fault in my system but I can only get down to Cannock Chase on Middleenglander fantastic results that are posted? I would like to see how South Kesteven If it is person that does them that be ok I wait but if its my system then I will have to work on it Cheers I think he is yet to update with the second half of the results (alphabetically speaking)... he seems to feel that he is entitled to a life outside of this forum and to do other things...  |
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Post by middleenglander on Nov 11, 2022 16:00:05 GMT
Braintree: Braintree South - Labour gain from Conservative| Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Labour | 372 | 45.2% | +15.6% | +15.7% | +5.6% | +3.1% | | Conservative | 317 | 38.5% | -10.3% | -10.3% | -21.9% | -19.4% | | Green | 134 | 16.3% | -5.2% | -5.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Total votes | 823 |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 13% since 2019 and 13¾% / 11¼% since 2015 Council now: 33 Conservative, 6 Green, 4 Halstead Residents, 3 Labour, 3 Independent Braintree: Coggeshall - Independent hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Independent | 576 | 43.5% | -17.1% | -16.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 451 | 34.1% | +6.1% | +4.9% | -14.8% | -13.2% | | Labour | 297 | 22.4% | +11.0% | +11.2% | +3.9% | +4.5% | | UKIP |
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Swing: if meaningful Independent to Conservative 11½% / 10½% since 2019 Council now: 33 Conservative, 6 Green, 4 Halstead Residents, 3 Labour, 3 Independent Broxtowe: Greasley - Conservative hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2016 B | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 637 | 47.7% | -16.1% | -16.7% | -1.1% | -0.3% | +0.1% | | Labour | 555 | 41.6% | +5.4% | +6.0% | +19.3% | +15.8% | +15.1% | | Liberal Democrat | 143 | 10.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | -1.0% | +4.2% | +4.7% | | UKIP |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 11% / 11¼% since 2019, 10¼% since 2016 by-election and 8% / 7½% since 2015
Council now: 19 Conservative, 14 Labour, 7 Liberal Democrat, 3 Independent, 1 Ashfield Independent
Burnley: Rosehill with Burnley Wood - Labour gain from Conservative
| Party | 2022 B votes | 2022 B share | since 2022 | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2019 B | since 2018 | | Labour | 372 | 39.4% | +15.8% | +8.5% | +16.6% | +12.0% | +5.2% | | Liberal Democrat | 363 | 38.4% | -17.8% | +9.9% | -3.2% | +0.9% | -10.1% | | Conservative | 123 | 13.0% | -2.1% | -18.6% | +3.7% | +0.4% | = | | Green | 87 | 9.2% | +4.1% | +0.2% | +3.1% | +3.6% | +4.9% | | Resident * |
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* Burnley & Padiham Independent Swing: Liberal Democrat to Labour 16¾% since May, 10% since 2019, 5½% since 2019 by-election and 7½% since 2018 2021 swing Conservative to Labour 13½% but not considered particularly meaningful Council now: 19 Labour, 8 Liberal Democrat, 6 Conservative, 6 Green, 5 Burnley & Padiham Independent, 1 Independent Cannock Chase: Cannock West - Conservative hold | Party | 2022 B votes | 2022 B share | since 2022 | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | | Conservative | 688 | 55.4% | -4.5% | -13.9% | -7.4% | -14.0% | | Labour | 430 | 34.6% | +7.1% | +16.2% | +13.8% | +10.6% | | Green | 124 | 10.0% | +4.5% | +5.0% | -6.4% | +3.4% | | Chase Community Independent |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 5¾% since May, 15% since 2021, 10½% since 2019 and 12¼% since 2018 Council now: 24 Conservative, 9 Labour, 3 Chase Community Independent, 2 Liberal Democrat, 2 Green, 1 Independent
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Post by middleenglander on Nov 11, 2022 16:01:30 GMT
East Devon: Newton Poppleford & Harpford - Independent gain from Independent East Devon Alliance| Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 | since 2015 | since 2011 | | Independent | 560 | 67.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere |
| | Labour | 162 | 19.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 22 Conservative, 15 Independent, 12 Independent East Devon Alliance, 7 Liberal Democrat, 2 Labour, 2 Green Kingston-upon-Thames: Green Lane & St James - Independent Residents Group gain from Liberal Democrat| Party | 2022 B votes | 2022 B share | since 2022 "top" | since 2022 "average" | | Independent Residents Group | 855 | 46.3% | +9.0% | +9.2% | | Liberal Democrat | 647 | 35.1% | -3.8% | -4.9% | | Labour | 265 | 14.4% | +3.3% | +3.6% | | Conservative | 78 | 4.2% | -8.4% | -7.9% | | Total votes | 1,845 |
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Swing: Liberal Democrat to Independent Residents Group 6½% / 7% since May Council now: 43 Liberal Democrat, 3 Conservative, 2 Independent Residents Group South Kesteven: Bourne East - Conservative hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 310 | 43.5% | +5.6% | +8.0% | -1.5% | -1.2% | | Labour | 154 | 21.6% | +5.7% | +5.1% | -5.4% | -5.5% | | Independent | 120 | 16.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 78 | 11.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green | 50 | 7.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Elected Independent |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 39 Conservative, 7 Independent, 3 South Kesteven Alliance, 2 Unaligned Independent, 2 Labour, 2 Liberal Democrat, 1 vacancy South Kesteven: Grantham St Wulframs - Conservative hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 359 | 39.2% | -20.6% | -19.5% | -12.3% | -11.5% | | Independent | 307 | 33.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour | 174 | 19.0% | +2.1% | +1.5% | -4.4% | -4.6% | | Green | 75 | 8.2% | -15.1% | -15.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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Swing: not meaningful
Council now: 39 Conservative, 7 Independent, 3 South Kesteven Alliance, 2 Unaligned Independent, 2 Labour, 2 Liberal Democrat, 1 vacancy
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 11, 2022 18:33:10 GMT
pretty unscrupulous is being pretty kind. An openly Islamophobic campaign waged by a local party whose leader was George Galloway's election agent. I hope that the gloves will come off now as despite my dislike of Lib Dems & Tories I'd far rather have them on the local council than the KIRG. Labour, better still, but we still have an uphill battle to regain our place on that council. No further comment necessary. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 11, 2022 20:32:33 GMT
I'm hearing that the police are investigating this as a hate crime. Not a big fan of the concept myself, but ...
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 11, 2022 21:28:18 GMT
When it comes to politics "the police are investigating" could mean anything from an active task force is gathering information to somebody sent them an email and had a reply acknowledging it.
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Post by mrtoad on Nov 12, 2022 14:03:37 GMT
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 12, 2022 17:17:02 GMT
Without betraying too many secrets, there's been some discussion in the yellow room on how our performance in recent weeks has been relatively poor, and in particular - like last night - concerns over the number of by-elections where we haven't put up a candidate. Some might be in the context of local deals and arrangements, particularly if it's where an anti-Tory coalition is running the council - but surely not all come into that catetgory Depletion of local activist capacity, the 'stop Brexit' surge being far more focused on Westminster politics? |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 13, 2022 10:00:27 GMT
Without betraying too many secrets, there's been some discussion in the yellow room on how our performance in recent weeks has been relatively poor, and in particular - like last night - concerns over the number of by-elections where we haven't put up a candidate. Some might be in the context of local deals and arrangements, particularly if it's where an anti-Tory coalition is running the council - but surely not all come into that catetgory Depletion of local activist capacity, the 'stop Brexit' surge being far more focused on Westminster politics? Its more recent than that though, the last few months really. Before then they were making a decent number of gains. |
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Post by michaelarden on Nov 13, 2022 13:46:47 GMT
Depletion of local activist capacity, the 'stop Brexit' surge being far more focused on Westminster politics? Its more recent than that though, the last few months really. Before then they were making a decent number of gains. It's surely a combination - yes they've lost a lot of members (but I suspect these are biased towards their weaker areas - for example they will have had lots of people joining in Westminster and Fulham and other very remainy places they foolishly targeted in 2019). Where they remain strong and have realistic prospects their membership won't be declining (as much). A few months back they were polling 10-12% pretty consistently with Labour in the high thirties - now they've slipped back a bit and Labour are ten+ points better off. So from being roughly a third of Labour's vote they are more like a fifth and that makes it more difficult for their advanced bar chart technology to work and more likely people vote for the default anti Tory option regardless of local circumstance. They've also had at least two defences in councils with massive Lib Dem majorities (South Cambs and Kingston) where the appeal to get the Tories out won't work and they have a council record to defend. But fundamentally they're still fucked because of the 2010 coalition and Clegg (and Davey's) hollowing out. There's still enough people who don't believe the Lib Dems can beat the Tories because the last time they claimed to do that they put them into power. They need time and a new generation of leaders for that to disappear. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 19, 2022 14:59:05 GMT
Without betraying too many secrets, there's been some discussion in the yellow room on how our performance in recent weeks has been relatively poor, and in particular - like last night - concerns over the number of by-elections where we haven't put up a candidate. Some might be in the context of local deals and arrangements, particularly if it's where an anti-Tory coalition is running the council - but surely not all come into that catetgory You should be a bit happier with the candidate situation for 15th December - one SOPN still to come (Amber Valley), but of the other 5 contests, 2 are LD-Con straight fights and the other 3 are Con-Lab-LD only... It's like stepping back in time a couple of decades... |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Nov 19, 2022 15:05:29 GMT
Without betraying too many secrets, there's been some discussion in the yellow room on how our performance in recent weeks has been relatively poor, and in particular - like last night - concerns over the number of by-elections where we haven't put up a candidate. Some might be in the context of local deals and arrangements, particularly if it's where an anti-Tory coalition is running the council - but surely not all come into that catetgory You should be a bit happier with the candidate situation for 15th December - one SOPN still to come (Amber Valley), but of the other 5 contests, 2 are LD-Con straight fights and the other 3 are Con-Lab-LD only... It's like stepping back in time a couple of decades... I have been informally told that there are at least four candidates for Amber Valley. |
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