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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Nov 11, 2022 17:33:26 GMT
Two polls today with Reform UK on 9% and 8%. and both of them showing an uptick for the Greens too. Interesting to see if this plays out longer term. On a personal note, my son has left the Labour Party this week to join the Greens, cannot stand Starmer's surge to the right anymore. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Nov 12, 2022 5:33:07 GMT
Yes and no. This isn't about Brexit now, if it was ReformUK would be polling much higher. It's about the other parties not reflecting a large part of the electorate. Personally I find ReformUK are probably the nearest party to me as I travel quickly from a left progressive position to a Right Liberal Conservative Authoritarian position. My actual position depends on individual policy topics. So if they stand there is a high chance I will vote for them at any election, but often they don't stand so I now tend to vote for the party that smells least ripe on the day of the election. |
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Post by bigfatron on Nov 12, 2022 7:48:32 GMT
Yes and no. This isn't about Brexit now, if it was ReformUK would be polling much higher. It's about the other parties not reflecting a large part of the electorate. Personally I find ReformUK are probably the nearest party to me as I travel quickly from a left progressive position to a Right Liberal Conservative Authoritarian position. My actual position depends on individual policy topics. So if they stand there is a high chance I will vote for them at any election, but often they don't stand so I now tend to vote for the party that smells least ripe on the day of the election. How can you be a Liberal Authoritarian? Aren't they generally understood to be opposite ends of the same axis? |
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Post by batman on Nov 12, 2022 8:45:04 GMT
I agree, but at least he admits to being daft.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Nov 12, 2022 8:50:50 GMT
Yes and no. This isn't about Brexit now, if it was ReformUK would be polling much higher. It's about the other parties not reflecting a large part of the electorate. Personally I find ReformUK are probably the nearest party to me as I travel quickly from a left progressive position to a Right Liberal Conservative Authoritarian position. My actual position depends on individual policy topics. So if they stand there is a high chance I will vote for them at any election, but often they don't stand so I now tend to vote for the party that smells least ripe on the day of the election. How can you be a Liberal Authoritarian? Aren't they generally understood to be opposite ends of the same axis? I take a Liberal attitude on some issues, but think an authoritarian approach may be better on others. It's issue related, hence me not fitting nicely into any political hole. You may think it's contradictory, fine, maybe it is, but only because my views are in flux generally moving from a Liberal approach to a more authoritarian one, meaning I am in no set place on any axis plots you would design. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 12, 2022 9:45:10 GMT
Yes and no. This isn't about Brexit now, if it was ReformUK would be polling much higher. It's about the other parties not reflecting a large part of the electorate. Personally I find ReformUK are probably the nearest party to me as I travel quickly from a left progressive position to a Right Liberal Conservative Authoritarian position. My actual position depends on individual policy topics. So if they stand there is a high chance I will vote for them at any election, but often they don't stand so I now tend to vote for the party that smells least ripe on the day of the election. How can you be a Liberal Authoritarian? Aren't they generally understood to be opposite ends of the same axis? Isn't that a reasonable description of Macron? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Nov 12, 2022 10:01:47 GMT
How can you be a Liberal Authoritarian? Aren't they generally understood to be opposite ends of the same axis? Isn't that a reasonable description of Macron? Please don't compare me to him. 🙏 |
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Post by clyde1998 on Nov 12, 2022 10:22:51 GMT
Two polls today with Reform UK on 9% and 8%. and both of them showing an uptick for the Greens too. Interesting to see if this plays out longer term. On a personal note, my son has left the Labour Party this week to join the Greens, cannot stand Starmer's surge to the right anymore. The Greens ticking up may be a return to the levels prior to the Truss premiership; the polling numbers fell, appearing to move towards Labour in that period. Perhaps we are moving back into the situation from 2015, where the two main parties are close enough to each other that there is room for Reform and the Greens to operate - taking support from the right of the Conservatives and left of Labour respectively. Will be interesting to see if this continues. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 12, 2022 10:52:09 GMT
How can you be a Liberal Authoritarian? Aren't they generally understood to be opposite ends of the same axis? Isn't that a reasonable description of Macron? More of a statist centralism. If you had to apply "liberal authoritarian" to someone I'd go for Lee Kun Yew. |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 12, 2022 10:57:45 GMT
Isn't that a reasonable description of Macron? More of a statist centralism. If you had to apply "liberal authoritarian" to someone I'd go for Lee Kun Yew. It depends whether both the liberal and authoritarian tendencies refer to economics or social matters . An economic liberal can be socially conservative. A social liberal can be opposed to liberal economics. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 12, 2022 11:05:53 GMT
More of a statist centralism. If you had to apply "liberal authoritarian" to someone I'd go for Lee Kun Yew. It depends whether both the liberal and authoritarian tendencies refer to economics or social matters . An economic liberal can be socially conservative. A social liberal can be opposed to liberal economics. In the sense that Lee was an economic liberal and by Asian cultural standards of his generation was personally progressive on cultural issues - eg on gay rights. Probably the closest thing there's ever been to a libertarian dictatorship. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 18, 2022 15:41:41 GMT
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Post by aargauer on Nov 18, 2022 15:54:26 GMT
I'm up for another backbench rebellion
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2022 16:24:27 GMT
the Truss era's politics may have gone, but we're getting close to its polling situation
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2022 16:50:57 GMT
For the benefit of anyone that finds swing difficult to work out, this would represent a swing of 19.25% from the Conservatives to Labour.
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Post by michaelarden on Nov 18, 2022 17:24:47 GMT
Fieldwork in the afternoon post budget. Not sure how reliable/accurate instant reactions are. |
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2022 20:32:30 GMT
2 members of this forum have withdrawn their support from the Conservative Party yesterday, at least one and possibly both as a direct result of the measures announced by Hunt. It wouldn't be that surprising if other voters have drawn the same conclusion, the question is whether it's permanent or temporary as argauer implies.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 18, 2022 21:17:21 GMT
2 members of this forum have withdrawn their support from the Conservative Party yesterday, at least one and possibly both as a direct result of the measures announced by Hunt. It wouldn't be that surprising if other voters have drawn the same conclusion, the question is whether it's permanent or temporary as argauer implies. Rule one in politics is that everything is temporary and nothing is ever half as good or as bad as one thought it to be at the time. |
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Post by jollyroger93 on Nov 18, 2022 22:33:19 GMT
2 members of this forum have withdrawn their support from the Conservative Party yesterday, at least one and possibly both as a direct result of the measures announced by Hunt. It wouldn't be that surprising if other voters have drawn the same conclusion, the question is whether it's permanent or temporary as argauer implies. Rule one in politics is that everything is temporary and nothing is ever half as good or as bad as one thought it to be at the time. Wise words from the elder statesman of the forum |
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Post by batman on Nov 18, 2022 22:36:56 GMT
Well most things in politics are obviously temporary. But sometimes people do make a permanent decision to switch parties which they do not later reverse. In a democratic society however things are more temporary than they are in, for example, North Korean politics.
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