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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 14, 2022 18:46:56 GMT
The LibDems in Gloucester did a number on us with one of their sodding bar charts again. This one showing the composition of the city council as though it's somehow relevant A technique used against us here by both Labour and the Conservatives. "The Lib Dems have only 3 seats out of 57 on the Council. A Lib Dem vote is a wasted vote."Except in those wards it certainly wasn't a wasted vote. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 14, 2022 18:55:35 GMT
The Liberals are notoriously good at by-elections, where they have a machine that can flood small areas with workers (and tendentious leaflets). Sometimes incumbency then allows them to retain seats at subsequent elections. The Conservatives and Labour tend to just use their local members. This won’t be good enough unless there has been regular campaigning work prior to the by-election. This certainly doesn't match my experience. Thinking back to our breakthrough/emergence years in Crewe we had 2 or 3 councillors, Labour and the Tories 25+ each. And membership figures were broadly proportionate. So who was best placed to flood an area for a by-election? Arguably the regular elections were better for us since we didn't have to defend 25+ councillors. |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 14, 2022 18:57:44 GMT
The LibDems in Gloucester did a number on us with one of their sodding bar charts again. This one showing the composition of the city council as though it's somehow relevant A technique used against us here by both Labour and the Conservatives. "The Lib Dems have only 3 seats out of 57 on the Council. A Lib Dem vote is a wasted vote."Except in those wards it certainly wasn't a wasted vote. In Parliamentary elections it's a tactic that Labour use regularly. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 14, 2022 21:06:56 GMT
The Liberals are notoriously good at by-elections, where they have a machine that can flood small areas with workers (and tendentious leaflets). Sometimes incumbency then allows them to retain seats at subsequent elections. The Conservatives and Labour tend to just use their local members. This won’t be good enough unless there has been regular campaigning work prior to the by-election. This certainly doesn't match my experience. Thinking back to our breakthrough/emergence years in Crewe we had 2 or 3 councillors, Labour and the Tories 25+ each. And membership figures were broadly proportionate. So who was best placed to flood an area for a by-election? Arguably the regular elections were better for us since we didn't have to defend 25+ councillors. flood them with time and hours. I actually rarely see a group of lib Dems. But I've often seen a sole lib Dems doing a round that it's taken half a dozen of us to do |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 15, 2022 18:07:17 GMT
This certainly doesn't match my experience. Thinking back to our breakthrough/emergence years in Crewe we had 2 or 3 councillors, Labour and the Tories 25+ each. And membership figures were broadly proportionate. So who was best placed to flood an area for a by-election? Arguably the regular elections were better for us since we didn't have to defend 25+ councillors. flood them with time and hours. I actually rarely see a group of lib Dems. But I've often seen a sole lib Dems doing a round that it's taken half a dozen of us to do That's probably more a matter of campaigning style, rather than activist numbers. Labour tend to organise their campaigns as big action days and send their activists around in packs. Lib Dems and Greens are more likely to give volunteers a batch of leaflets to deliver in their own time, and tend to spread activists all over our target wards during an action day. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 15, 2022 18:22:41 GMT
flood them with time and hours. I actually rarely see a group of lib Dems. But I've often seen a sole lib Dems doing a round that it's taken half a dozen of us to do That's probably more a matter of campaigning style, rather than activist numbers. Labour tend to organise their campaigns as big action days and send their activists around in packs. Lib Dems and Greens are more likely to give volunteers a batch of leaflets to deliver in their own time, and tend to spread activists all over our target wards during an action day. tbf I'd do a round by myself but the labour party do discourage lone working when door knocking, which I agree with. I've had some strange experiences and I'm just glad I was with someone |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 15, 2022 18:29:32 GMT
That's probably more a matter of campaigning style, rather than activist numbers. Labour tend to organise their campaigns as big action days and send their activists around in packs. Lib Dems and Greens are more likely to give volunteers a batch of leaflets to deliver in their own time, and tend to spread activists all over our target wards during an action day. tbf I'd do a round by myself but the labour party do discourage lone working when door knocking, which I agree with. I've had some strange experiences and I'm just glad I was with someone It is easier to disperse activists when leafleting than when canvassing. And I wasn't describing a universal pattern, just a general trend. Labour in Coventry definitely campaign in packs for both leafleting and doorknocking, whilst Labour's last two councillors in Solihuill were basically left to cover all campaigning in their ward entirely by themselves. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 15, 2022 18:35:09 GMT
tbf I'd do a round by myself but the labour party do discourage lone working when door knocking, which I agree with. I've had some strange experiences and I'm just glad I was with someone It is easier to disperse activists when leafleting than when canvassing. And I wasn't describing a universal pattern, just a general trend. Labour in Coventry definitely campaign in packs for both leafleting and doorknocking, whilst Labour's last two councillors in Solihuill were basically left to cover all campaigning in their ward entirely by themselves. I experienced both. The last time I door knocked by myself was when lovely Deepak whose joined the Leicester Tories offered to give a staffer a lift to the station and never came back. In my ward now we split the leafleting up between the councillors and a couple members |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2022 6:42:18 GMT
I think a fair bit of Edgeley & Cheadle Heath is going into Cheadle Hulme North in the Stockport boundary changes, so there may be more of a Lib Dem campaign there than usual too. Most of what used to be the (pre-reorganisation) Cheadle Heath ward is going into the new ward. However there is also Grosvenor Road/Dorset Avenue Estate coming in from Davenport & Cale Green while much of Cheadle Hulme proper (the area south of the Ladybrook/Micker Brook) is destined for Cheadle Hulme South. It could prove a mighty tough ward from the Lib-Dems on the new boundaries. The proposed new ward name of Cheadle East and Cheadle Hulme North is dreadful. |
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Post by john07 on Oct 23, 2022 14:22:54 GMT
Most of what used to be the (pre-reorganisation) Cheadle Heath ward is going into the new ward. However there is also Grosvenor Road/Dorset Avenue Estate coming in from Davenport & Cale Green while much of Cheadle Hulme proper (the area south of the Ladybrook/Micker Brook) is destined for Cheadle Hulme South. It could prove a mighty tough ward from the Lib-Dems on the new boundaries. The proposed new ward name of Cheadle East and Cheadle Hulme North is dreadful. Absolutely. The problem is what do you call such a patchwork Ward? I suppose that Cheadle East, Cheadle Heath, and Adswood is a bit of a mouthful? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2022 15:16:23 GMT
The proposed new ward name of Cheadle East and Cheadle Hulme North is dreadful. Absolutely. The problem is what do you call such a patchwork Ward? I suppose that Cheadle East, Cheadle Heath, and Adswood is a bit of a mouthful? Something neutral but with a bit of poetic licence. Ladybrook, Abney, Roscoe's Roundabout. The most appropriate one could be Councillor Lane ward! Mersey Banks would work... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 15:32:09 GMT
Most of what used to be the (pre-reorganisation) Cheadle Heath ward is going into the new ward. However there is also Grosvenor Road/Dorset Avenue Estate coming in from Davenport & Cale Green while much of Cheadle Hulme proper (the area south of the Ladybrook/Micker Brook) is destined for Cheadle Hulme South. It could prove a mighty tough ward from the Lib-Dems on the new boundaries. The proposed new ward name of Cheadle East and Cheadle Hulme North is dreadful. I'll whisper this: I think it's a tad clunky too. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 23, 2022 15:42:57 GMT
flood them with time and hours. I actually rarely see a group of lib Dems. But I've often seen a sole lib Dems doing a round that it's taken half a dozen of us to do That's probably more a matter of campaigning style, rather than activist numbers. Labour tend to organise their campaigns as big action days and send their activists around in packs. Lib Dems and Greens are more likely to give volunteers a batch of leaflets to deliver in their own time, and tend to spread activists all over our target wards during an action day. We do both. |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 23, 2022 17:24:19 GMT
That's probably more a matter of campaigning style, rather than activist numbers. Labour tend to organise their campaigns as big action days and send their activists around in packs. Lib Dems and Greens are more likely to give volunteers a batch of leaflets to deliver in their own time, and tend to spread activists all over our target wards during an action day. We do both. Of course we do both as well, but probably we have more singletons working delivering when it suits them than other parties. I have actually seen Labour doing the same, whatever the balance of probabilities are. It also does depend on other considerations, like the size of the wards. If you are working in a place like Ashford where we have overwhelmingly tiny single member wards, that encourages lone wolves ahead of packs. |
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