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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 25, 2022 20:35:58 GMT
It may be coincidence but that really does show the band of dire (not just bad) weather coming in to Napoli and north thereof. The streets were like rivers, it took us 90 minutes to get to the main station and the same to come back (would usually be 25 minutes each way but the metro wasn’t running all the way thanks to the elections, presumably as staff are involved, and then the local railway line had severe delays due to flooding- apparently they all stopped working this afternoon apparently). I’d planned to get the funicular down the hill and then walk through the old town to the station, but the heavens opened as we were on the funicular and didn’t close for 7 hours. The old town will look like Venice. it’s probably the storm + M5S stronghold Plenty of anti-covid tat on sale in the Del Boy-esque stalls in the old town. Purporting to take away the need for a vaccine if you buy a ‘corna anti-covid’. Sounds straight out of M5S’s quack-book. |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 25, 2022 20:37:37 GMT
it’s probably the storm + M5S stronghold Plenty of anti-covid tat on sale in the Del Boy-esque stalls in the old town. Purporting to take away the need for a vaccine if you buy a ‘corna anti-covid’. Sounds straight out of M5S’s quack-book. It’s not just M5S, Italians in general have some quirky beliefs…. |
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Post by dizz on Sept 25, 2022 20:42:01 GMT
Weather in Bologna overcast but pretty much no rain. No election fever here. Polling station in town had no counters outside. Bars are not showing it on TV.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 25, 2022 20:47:44 GMT
Plenty of anti-covid tat on sale in the Del Boy-esque stalls in the old town. Purporting to take away the need for a vaccine if you buy a ‘corna anti-covid’. Sounds straight out of M5S’s quack-book. It’s not just M5S, Italians in general have some quirky beliefs…. Don’t we just! I don’t get a vote as I don’t currently have Italian citizenship (had it at birth but then no longer as didn’t want to do military service and it was useless while I live in the UK and didn’t own anything over here; haven’t got round to applying for it again yet though it’s on my to do list). However if I did, I honestly don’t know who I’d vote for. FI are closest to my politics in theory but they’re led by Berlusconi so I wouldn’t trust them to be stuck to. I supported Lega Nord when I was younger, when they were primarily a regionalist party and I could ignore the nationalist fringe (naively, I admit). The nationalist fringe had obviously taken over the party, and in any case I’ve since travelled a lot in the south- that along with a number of other reasons means I no longer support the regionalist principles I did in my teens. Meloni doesn’t strike me as being as bad as the press consensus portrays her, but I still don’t think I could vote for her or her party. I could have tolerated a PD led by someone like Renzi without Renzi’s ego- but not by someone like Letta. M5S are just cranks. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 25, 2022 20:59:34 GMT
Graun have a live blog.
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 21:01:19 GMT
Exit poll for Rai
Senate
Right 111-131 seats
PD and allies 33-53
M5S 14-34
Calenda-Renzi 4-12
House
Right 227-257
PD and allies 78-98
M5S 36-56
Calenda-Renzi 15-25
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 21:03:25 GMT
Rai exit polls
Lists for Senate
Brothers of Italy 22-26%
Democratic Party 17-21%
M5S 13.5-17.5%
Lega 8.5-12.5%
Forza Italia 6-8%
Calenda/Renzi 6.5-8.5%
Green/Left 3-5%
+Euroe 2.5-4.5%
Italeix 0.5-2.5%
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 21:07:48 GMT
Sky exit polls
Right 42%
PD and friends 28.3%
M5S 16.4%
Calenda/Renzi 7.2%
Exit poll for La7
Brothers of Italy 23-27%
Democratic Party 18-22
M5S 13.5-17.5%
Lega 9.5-13.5%
Forza Italia 6-8%
Green/Left 3-4%
+Europe 2-3%
Broadly same story
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 21:11:13 GMT
Lists in SKY exit poll
FdI 23.5
PD 20.3
M5S 16.4
Lega 9.6
Forza Italia 7.5
Renzi-Calenda 7.2
Green Left 4.1
+Europe 2.9
Italexit 2.5
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 21:24:10 GMT
There is an exit poll for Napoli Fuorigrotta constituency
M5S 29%
Di Maio 28%
Right 27%
LOL!
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 25, 2022 21:34:30 GMT
There is an exit poll for Napoli Fuorigrotta constituency M5S 29% Di Maio 28% Right 27% LOL! I was there yesterday, visiting the fat cheating drug addict stadium. Don’t think I influenced anyone’s vote any way, but who knows! |
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Post by markgoodair on Sept 25, 2022 21:48:24 GMT
I now have a default position in any international election of "supporting" any party the BBC describes as far right. My support doe not extend to any actual support. But I want the BBC to lose. This Meloni girl. Is she the wrong sort of woman, like Truss? An Uncle Tom like Kwarteng and a coconut like Patel? Considering that the BBC don't actually contest elections what exactly is your point? |
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Post by grahammurray on Sept 25, 2022 21:49:22 GMT
I now have a default position in any international election of "supporting" any party the BBC describes as far right. My support doe not extend to any actual support. But I want the BBC to lose. This Meloni girl. Is she the wrong sort of woman, like Truss? An Uncle Tom like Kwarteng and a coconut like Patel? I've wondered if two half-arsed statements or prejudces add up to a full one. If it does then that ranks as 3 complete arses. |
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 22:03:50 GMT
La7 projections based on first counting
Coalition
Right 43.3%
PD and allies 25.4%
M5S 17
Calenda/Renzi 7.9
FdI 26
Lega 8.4
Forza Italia 7.0
Noi moderati 1
PD 18.1
Green Left 3.6
+Europe 3.1
Di Maio 0.6
M5S 17
Renzi-Calenda 7.9
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Post by rcronald on Sept 25, 2022 22:04:58 GMT
Exit poll for Rai Senate Right 111-131 seats PD and allies 33-53 M5S 14-34 Calenda-Renzi 4-12 House Right 227-257 PD and allies 78-98 M5S 36-56 Calenda-Renzi 15-25 Pre September 8th models gave the right 122 seats in the senate and 247 seats in the house on average while the Rai exit poll gives them on average 121 seats in the senate and 242 seats in the house 😬 |
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 22:14:52 GMT
La7 projections based on first counting Coalition Right 43.3% PD and allies 25.4% M5S 17 Calenda/Renzi 7.9 FdI 26 Lega 8.4 Forza Italia 7.0 Noi moderati 1 PD 18.1 Green Left 3.6 +Europe 3.1 Di Maio 0.6 M5S 17 Renzi-Calenda 7.9 Projections on Rai TV FdI 24.6 Lega 8.5 Forza Italia 8.0 Noi moderati 1.1 PD 19.4 Green Left 3.5 +Europe 2.9 M5S 16.5 Renzi-Calenda 7.3 |
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 22:23:28 GMT
La7 projections based on first counting Coalition Right 43.3% PD and allies 25.4% M5S 17 Calenda/Renzi 7.9 FdI 26 Lega 8.4 Forza Italia 7.0 Noi moderati 1 PD 18.1 Green Left 3.6 +Europe 3.1 Di Maio 0.6 M5S 17 Renzi-Calenda 7.9 Updated projection Coalition Right 43.8% PD and allies 25.8% M5S 16.6 Calenda/Renzi 7.8 FdI 26 Lega 8.7 Forza Italia 8.2 Noi moderati 0.9 PD 18.3 Green Left 3.7 +Europe 3.1 Di Maio 0.8 |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 25, 2022 22:32:02 GMT
La7 projections based on first counting Coalition Right 43.3% PD and allies 25.4% M5S 17 Calenda/Renzi 7.9 FdI 26 Lega 8.4 Forza Italia 7.0 Noi moderati 1 PD 18.1 Green Left 3.6 +Europe 3.1 Di Maio 0.6 M5S 17 Renzi-Calenda 7.9 Updated projection Coalition Right 43.8% PD and allies 25.8% M5S 16.6 Calenda/Renzi 7.8 FdI 26 Lega 8.7 Forza Italia 8.2 Noi moderati 0.9 PD 18.3 Green Left 3.7 +Europe 3.1 Di Maio 0.8 Would the new government be able to pass Economically Liberal constitutional amendments with the help of Calenda/Renzi? |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 25, 2022 22:44:05 GMT
turnout is holding up in Rome 54.66% (vs 56.24% last time) Don't know whether this is anything to do with the fact that Giorgia Meloni is from Rome. Might well be a factor. |
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Post by Jack on Sept 25, 2022 22:44:28 GMT
Cue the inevitable "does this mean Italy will be the next to leave the EU?" discourse in the media.
Despite the fact that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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