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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 11, 2022 14:54:46 GMT
Please let there be a bonfire of these dreadful personalist microparties.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 11, 2022 14:59:57 GMT
Please let there be a bonfire of these dreadful personalist microparties. Don't get your hopes up. |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 11, 2022 15:06:08 GMT
Friday was the last day to publish polls. Law bans them for last 2 weeks of the campaign Last wave of polls  surprised M5S is rising |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 11, 2022 16:20:06 GMT
Friday was the last day to publish polls. Law bans them for last 2 weeks of the campaign Last wave of polls Here are all opinionPolls collected at en.wikipedia during the last month:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 14, 2022 13:00:47 GMT
I remember the days, when we dismissed her as one of Silvio's girls... |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 14, 2022 22:32:53 GMT
I will be in the Red City that night & the following one.  Bologna? I’ll be there the following week- October 1st-4th. I’ll be in Napoli on election day and Rome from the following day. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 15, 2022 9:55:06 GMT
If Cliffe is looking for a party that symbolises Italy's modern problems, it's not FdI. It's M5S. The chattering classes' love of these loons only seemed to fall apart when anti-vaxxery suddenly became the ultimate taboo.
FdI are a creature of the establishment, despite what they themselves think and despite the media's view. They are a direct descendant of a party that wasn't a "post-fascist fringe" after the collapse of the parties after Mani Pulite-it was an integral party of government. Meloni was a minister.
Some of the British media takes in particular have been atrocious. There have been several dire articles trying to paint Meloni as pro-Putin, despite her outright hostility to the Kremlin.
Cynically, one might say that it is in the interests of the Italian business and political elite to make someone else the target of people's ire, rather than own the consequences of their dealings with Putin.
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Post by aargauer on Sept 21, 2022 3:17:37 GMT
italia.isidewith.com/political-quiz83% CasaPound 80% Fratelli d'Italia 79% Lega 51% Forza Italia 11% Piu Europa 7% MoVimento Cinque Stella 5% Liberi e Uguali 3% Verdi e alleanza di sinistra 3% Partito Communista 3% Potere al Popolo Can we have a poll on this thread please Andrew_S Been offline since Sunday so only just seen this. How do I add a poll? Can't remember. I got Renzis party top and More Europe second! Admittedly Italy is somewhere where my kind of politics is not well represented. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 22, 2022 11:56:09 GMT
andrea, what do you make of these rumoured contacts between Draghi and Meloni?
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Post by andrea on Sept 22, 2022 15:26:02 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 22, 2022 17:33:21 GMT
So, is Meloni "far right"? Or are those characterizing her as far-right liars? I am open to either answer, there must be a far-right somewhere and Italy seems to be a suitable place for it. But the Left (and indeed Centrists) habitually tell constant lies in calling others far right, so I think it is reasonable to doubt the appellation She's hard-right. She undoubtedly comes from the parties that were once post-fascist, but then again that didn't mean much when she turned up (Fini was already in charge, and she was 18 when the MSI/AN renounced fascism and moved into the national-Conservative realm). Clearly she was a staunch member of AN, whose existence appears to have been completely misconstrued by the British media in particular. She was part of the Destra Protagonista faction, which would probably be recognisable (and perfectly respectable) at the harder end of the Tories. It seems curious to be considering an Atlanticist who wants to continue Draghi's economic policy as far-right when hard-right fits the bill perfectly. But Salvini isn't the power he was, and the media needs a demon. Meanwhile, the chancers and crackpots who forced this election seem to receive minimal scrutiny. |
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Post by dizz on Sept 22, 2022 18:05:19 GMT
Not much campaigning in Ravenna at this moment.
There was more in Este a couple of days ago.
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Post by andrea on Sept 22, 2022 18:15:50 GMT
. Meanwhile, the chancers and crackpots who forced this election seem to receive minimal scrutiny. Polls can't be published in the 2 weeks before the election. Some papers are not keeping it particularly secret what new unpublishable polls are indicating: M5S is on the raise in the last few weeks and appears particularly competitive in the South. PD is doing lackluster. Alaways allegedly. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 22, 2022 18:22:58 GMT
Having been in Italy since Saturday, it’s weird seeing election adverts on the sides of buses and on the electronic advertising boards at railway stations, as well as leaflets placed under the rear windscreen wipers of parked cars. I think the last time I was here in election time was for the European elections which must have been 2004.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 22, 2022 19:04:27 GMT
. Meanwhile, the chancers and crackpots who forced this election seem to receive minimal scrutiny. Polls can't be published in the 2 weeks before the election. Some papers are not keeping it particularly secret what new unpublishable polls are indicating: M5S is on the raise in the last few weeks and appears particularly competitive in the South. PD is doing lackluster. Alaways allegedly. I should have been a bit clearer, scrutiny from the Anglophone media (and from what I've seen, the francophone media hasn't been much better). On a related note, if you read British press coverage, you'd be amazed to find out that the PD are still going! |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 23, 2022 19:55:50 GMT
. Meanwhile, the chancers and crackpots who forced this election seem to receive minimal scrutiny. Polls can't be published in the 2 weeks before the election. Some papers are not keeping it particularly secret what new unpublishable polls are indicating: M5S is on the raise in the last few weeks and appears particularly competitive in the South. PD is doing lackluster. Alaways allegedly. Are M5S taking their new votes from PD, or right leaning parties? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 24, 2022 1:42:31 GMT
Polls can't be published in the 2 weeks before the election. Some papers are not keeping it particularly secret what new unpublishable polls are indicating: M5S is on the raise in the last few weeks and appears particularly competitive in the South. PD is doing lackluster. Alaways allegedly. Are M5S taking their new votes from PD, or right leaning parties? According to that BiDiMedia-poll more from the Right (Lega sinking towards 10%, FI losing less) and 0.5-1% from PD. |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 24, 2022 3:17:59 GMT
Are M5S taking their new votes from PD, or right leaning parties? According to that BiDiMedia-poll more from the Right (Lega sinking towards 10%, FI losing less) and 0.5-1% from PD. If the gains are mostly in the south then wouldn’t it indicate a Lega->Fdl->M5S shift? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 24, 2022 20:57:18 GMT
According to that BiDiMedia-poll more from the Right (Lega sinking towards 10%, FI losing less) and 0.5-1% from PD. If the gains are mostly in the south then wouldn’t it indicate a Lega->Fdl->M5S shift? Was also my thought. Though it's perhaps more exLega-voters in the South, who felt always a little bit uncomfortable, moving directly to M5S? |
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Post by andrea on Sept 25, 2022 11:21:21 GMT
Turnout for House at 12:00 is around 19%. Similar to 2018 elezioni.interno.gov.it/camera/votanti/20220925/votantiCI(ore 12 column is 2022 turnout, Prec. ore 12 column is 2018 turnout at midday, comuni column indicates how municipalities have reported the turnout data) Holding up well in the Northern regions (some are up compared to 2018) and down in the South so far. However, 7 pm data will give a better indication. |
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