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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 8:32:07 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 26, 2022 8:40:38 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile. How big are FdI in comparison to the rest of the coalition? I would negotiate a strong anti Russia stance if I was Giorgia Meloni, in return for a consistent coalition wide line on other issues in government? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 8:52:03 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile. How big are FdI in comparison to the rest of the coalition? I would negotiate a strong anti Russia stance if I was Giorgia Meloni, in return for a consistent coalition wide line on other issues in government? I suppose it'll all come out in the wash of results, but you'd have to imagine FdI will be in a position to assert its line. Likewise, Salvini might decide that Russia isn't a hill worth dying on any more. Which just leaves the economic establishment types. Maybe andrea has a view? |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 26, 2022 9:01:06 GMT
How big are FdI in comparison to the rest of the coalition? I would negotiate a strong anti Russia stance if I was Giorgia Meloni, in return for a consistent coalition wide line on other issues in government? I suppose it'll all come out in the wash of results, but you'd have to imagine FdI will be in a position to assert its line. Likewise, Salvini might decide that Russia isn't a hill worth dying on any more. Which just leaves the economic establishment types. Maybe andrea has a view? Salvini's bigger target has to be the EU surely and Russia economically post- Ukraine will be economically either a pariah state (if they choose not to withdraw) or in the midst of a severe recession for many years if they withdraw. So not much of a trade partner. I'd imagine Sergio and co. would be told to hop it if they tried forcing FdI and LN to accept a pro Russia line when FI will be the junior coalition partner. |
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Post by andrea on Aug 26, 2022 13:12:01 GMT
So-what happens with the approach to Russia if the Right win? The Lega and Berlusconi have noted ties to Russia (as does most of the Italian economic establishment), but Meloni is very hostile. How big are FdI in comparison to the rest of the coalition? As things stands, FDI should get around half of the coalition totals I suppose it'll all come out in the wash of results, but you'd have to imagine FdI will be in a position to assert its line. Likewise, Salvini might decide that Russia isn't a hill worth dying on any more. Which just leaves the economic establishment types. Maybe andrea has a view? Salvini's bigger target has to be the EU surely and Russia economically post- Ukraine will be economically either a pariah state (if they choose not to withdraw) or in the midst of a severe recession for many years if they withdraw. So not much of a trade partner. I'd imagine Sergio and co. would be told to hop it if they tried forcing FdI and LN to accept a pro Russia line when FI will be the junior coalition partner. Salvini's message these days is that sanctions aren't working. They are making Italy poorer (electricity prices set to raise) rather than Russian poorer. Berlusconi is repeating how atlantist (does it exist? Or did I make up a word?) he is. He stands for liberal, Atlantist and Christian values. And he wants to raise pensions for everyone. Even housewives, because our mothers and grandmothers worked a lot in our houses. I think the pro Russian lines are not ideological, but depends on economic advantages. If these aren't there, they will forget about Russia. We switched side in the middle of both World Wars. We are flexible......  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 26, 2022 17:24:57 GMT
Very close andrea, Atlanticist. Good job you didn't suggest Berlo was an Atalantist, you would be banned from Bergamo for life! |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 27, 2022 4:55:57 GMT
While Meloni is clearly pivoting to the centre,
I doubt she’s gonna end up being another Gianfranco Fini (she’s definitely not showing signs of becoming a SocLib), and would probably be electorally dead if she did end up being a Fini or another establishment European “right” politician.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 29, 2022 11:43:40 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 29, 2022 12:57:20 GMT
These are the closest Camera-races according to Sondaggi BiDiMedia:  |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 30, 2022 15:36:27 GMT
These are the closest Camera-races according to Sondaggi BiDiMedia: The right winning Livorno would be something….. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Aug 30, 2022 21:43:24 GMT
These are the closest Camera-races according to Sondaggi BiDiMedia: The right winning Livorno would be something….. Yes, although it is afaik quite workingClass. The 2 Umbria-const. would according to this proJection also be remarkable blowOuts. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 31, 2022 3:24:49 GMT
The right winning Livorno would be something….. Yes, although it is afaik quite workingClass. The 2 Umbria-const. would according to this proJection also be remarkable blowOuts. Unlike in other red belt regions (Toscana and Emilia Romagna) where they still hold on for dear life, the left has completely collapsed in Umbria, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the right ends up winning both seats by a landslide margin (the left finished in 3rd place in 2 of the 3 old seats last time). |
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Post by andrea on Aug 31, 2022 16:13:18 GMT
Yes, although it is afaik quite workingClass. The 2 Umbria-const. would according to this proJection also be remarkable blowOuts. Unlike in other red belt regions (Toscana and Emilia Romagna) where they still hold on for dear life, the left has completely collapsed in Umbria, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the right ends up winning both seats by a landslide margin (the left finished in 3rd place in 2 of the 3 old seats last time). yes, they collapsed in the 2019 regional elections (even if PD held some mayoralty in 2021-22 in medium size municipalities such as Spoleto, Città di Castello and Narni). The last straw was the scandal over the alleged manipulation of public competitions for the recruitment of nurses in Perugia to let the friends of PD politicians pass. The trial is still ongoing. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 31, 2022 16:17:43 GMT
Unlike in other red belt regions (Toscana and Emilia Romagna) where they still hold on for dear life, the left has completely collapsed in Umbria, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the right ends up winning both seats by a landslide margin (the left finished in 3rd place in 2 of the 3 old seats last time). yes, they collapsed in the 2019 regional elections (even if PD held some mayoralty in 2021-22 in medium size municipalities such as Spoleto, Città di Castello and Narni). The last straw was the scandal over the alleged manipulation of public competitions for the recruitment of nurses in Perugia to let the friends of PD politicians pass. The trial is still ongoing. They lost 2 out of the 3 constituencies by more then 10% in 2018, so they were probably done even before the regional election. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 31, 2022 16:28:29 GMT
Unlike in other red belt regions (Toscana and Emilia Romagna) where they still hold on for dear life, the left has completely collapsed in Umbria, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the right ends up winning both seats by a landslide margin (the left finished in 3rd place in 2 of the 3 old seats last time). yes, they collapsed in the 2019 regional elections (even if PD held some mayoralty in 2021-22 in medium size municipalities such as Spoleto, Città di Castello and Narni). The last straw was the scandal over the alleged manipulation of public competitions for the recruitment of nurses in Perugia to let the friends of PD politicians pass. The trial is still ongoing. btw, since you live in Lombardia, do you happen to know if President Fontana is planning to retire? |
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Post by andrea on Aug 31, 2022 16:33:41 GMT
yes, they collapsed in the 2019 regional elections (even if PD held some mayoralty in 2021-22 in medium size municipalities such as Spoleto, Città di Castello and Narni). The last straw was the scandal over the alleged manipulation of public competitions for the recruitment of nurses in Perugia to let the friends of PD politicians pass. The trial is still ongoing. btw, since you live in Lombardia, do you happen to know if President Fontana is planning to retire? During the summer, he confirmed he will run again. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 31, 2022 16:59:50 GMT
btw, since you live in Lombardia, do you happen to know if President Fontana is planning to retire? During the summer, he confirmed he will run again. Isn’t he supposed to be very unpopular and corrupt? |
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Post by neilm on Sept 3, 2022 8:55:03 GMT
It seems that I side 72% with the Action Party. Which is a surprise as they're as they seem to be centre left and pro-European. I favour nuclear power, the death penalty and Italy leaving the EU which I doubt fits in with their stance on anything.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 3, 2022 15:39:35 GMT
It seems that I side 72% with the Action Party. Which is a surprise as they're as they seem to be centre left and pro-European. I favour nuclear power, the death penalty and Italy leaving the EU which I doubt fits in with their stance on anything. With huge surprise&joy i had to see in the interNet a party's logo with on it the monArchs, who had to flee 1860. And, that the party is dedicated to the Sacrum Imperium Romanum. Though then i had to see, that on the one hand they define themselves as "theocrats" (what fits to Calvinism or Islam, but contradicts real Christianity, where pope&emperor were even physically separated); and on the other hand they label themselves as "Liberali"... |
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Post by andrea on Sept 11, 2022 8:30:12 GMT
Friday was the last day to publish polls. Law bans them for last 2 weeks of the campaign Last wave of polls  |
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