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Post by froome on May 28, 2022 13:24:05 GMT
" anger about Downing Street shindogs is now so widespread in the rural Devon constituency ... "Another scandal? Boris's dog has been biting people's shins?! Just wait until he lets his bollocksdog loose on the voters...
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Post by Khunanup on May 28, 2022 13:45:35 GMT
Of course in North Shropshire the candidate had many faux pas being an outsider, not knowing his way around the area. Here the candidate is described as a “parish councillor” - not a borough Cllr. Could there be the opposite problem here in such a large sprawling constituency where she only knows her patch and not the rest of it, and may not do as well in the other areas. I'm not sure the Tories bigging her up after her selection as a town councillor in the smaller town in the constituency was a great idea. It is the smaller of the two towns to start with in a constituency where each of the towns anchor either end of the constituency, and, to be honest, the by-election isn't going to be won or lost in Honiton. Our candidate living slap bang in the middle of the two towns in a rural area couldn't really have worked out better.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 19:58:01 GMT
Have there ever been any open BNP/other far-right parties members on this forum?
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Post by European Lefty on May 28, 2022 22:10:10 GMT
Have there ever been any open BNP/other far-right parties members on this forum? We had an English Democrat. We've had a couple of others who were definitely fash-adjacent without necessarily identifying as such. And Richard Cromwell who is open about having formerly been extremely right-wing but whose politics are now very different
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Post by wallington on May 29, 2022 6:15:52 GMT
Have there ever been any open BNP/other far-right parties members on this forum? We had an English Democrat. We've had a couple of others who were definitely fash-adjacent without necessarily identifying as such. And Richard Cromwell who is open about having formerly been extremely right-wing but whose politics are now very different There was someone years ago, maybe even on the old forums, who was a BNP organiser of sorts in Leicestershire.
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Post by Khunanup on May 29, 2022 6:21:08 GMT
Have there ever been any open BNP/other far-right parties members on this forum? We had an English Democrat. We've had a couple of others who were definitely fash-adjacent without necessarily identifying as such. And Richard Cromwell who is open about having formerly been extremely right-wing but whose politics are now very different We did have an outright self identifying fascist posting on here, to the point that his username was rhyming slang used by fascist groups to name themselves across the UK (one of which I've had the misfortune to run into, bunch of cowardly thugs).
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Post by The Bishop on May 29, 2022 9:32:09 GMT
We are talking about the now damnatio memoriae'd pieandmash, who was pretty much an outright Nazi. Early on here, there was leicester as mentioned above and also a poster called nord who was a self confessed BNP member.
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Post by carlton43 on May 29, 2022 10:36:07 GMT
We had an English Democrat. We've had a couple of others who were definitely fash-adjacent without necessarily identifying as such. And Richard Cromwell who is open about having formerly been extremely right-wing but whose politics are now very different We did have an outright self identifying fascist posting on here, to the point that his username was rhyming slang used by fascist groups to name themselves across the UK (one of which I've had the misfortune to run into, bunch of cowardly thugs). Having had a considerable exposure to such groups over half a century ago when first following football at West Ham (quite tough), Millwall (often very violent indeed), Charlton ( less tough but huge gates), and Gillingham (elements of violence), I would cavil at the tendentious phrase cowardly thugs. Thugs has an original proper meaning and a later British slur meaning in criminality. They were violent and in a specific sub culture of violence for its own sake. It is wrong to assume that they were not interested or knowledgeable about football, even it it was of an extreme and very tribal nature. And I may assure you that all but a small minority were never cowardly. They were the opposite of cowardly. I find it odd that the modern attitude to casual violence, and such matters as shooting, bull fighting and prize fighting can compartmentalize their thought processes to a position of both the accusation of cowardice and the given that such cowardice is a dire fault of character and something to be disparaged. The disparagement of cowardice comes from the same root as love of violence because only in that context and milieu does it make sense. The actuality of being a coward, I believe to be both hard wired into one as a character trait (self preservation and flight) or contextual as in overwhelming odds or extreme battle fatigue or simple mental and physical exhaustion.
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Post by John Chanin on May 29, 2022 12:34:29 GMT
We had an English Democrat. We've had a couple of others who were definitely fash-adjacent without necessarily identifying as such. And Richard Cromwell who is open about having formerly been extremely right-wing but whose politics are now very different We did have an outright self identifying fascist posting on here, to the point that his username was rhyming slang used by fascist groups to name themselves across the UK (one of which I've had the misfortune to run into, bunch of cowardly thugs). Curiously though he was a very polite poster, no ranting at all, and made some perfectly decent points, and actually engaged with people, all of which is quite unusual for people of similar views.
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Post by Khunanup on May 29, 2022 13:30:01 GMT
We did have an outright self identifying fascist posting on here, to the point that his username was rhyming slang used by fascist groups to name themselves across the UK (one of which I've had the misfortune to run into, bunch of cowardly thugs). Curiously though he was a very polite poster, no ranting at all, and made some perfectly decent points, and actually engaged with people, all of which is quite unusual for people of similar views. Don't find that curious at all, sensible extremists try to come across as entirely reasonable people 'they're just like us so their [abhorrent] views can't be that bad'. The giveaway, even if you weren't familiar with the name origin, was the vile avatar he had which was disgustingly discriminatory and I find astonishing that it was never removed.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 29, 2022 14:11:02 GMT
What is Nord cockney rhyming slang for?
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Post by Khunanup on May 29, 2022 14:33:53 GMT
What is Nord cockney rhyming slang for? Nothing as far as I know. pieandmash on the other hand rhymes with fash and is used by card carrying fascists to describe themselves. A kind of far-right in-joke.
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Post by neilm on May 29, 2022 19:20:34 GMT
Curiously though he was a very polite poster, no ranting at all, and made some perfectly decent points, and actually engaged with people, all of which is quite unusual for people of similar views. Don't find that curious at all, sensible extremists try to come across as entirely reasonable people 'they're just like us so their [abhorrent] views can't be that bad'. The giveaway, even if you weren't familiar with the name origin, was the vile avatar he had which was disgustingly discriminatory and I find astonishing that it was never removed. What was his avatar? I didn't think he had one.
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Post by polupolu on May 29, 2022 21:55:27 GMT
I note the lack of a poll. Is this regarded as a foregone conclusion? Not by us.
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Post by Khunanup on May 29, 2022 23:04:30 GMT
Don't find that curious at all, sensible extremists try to come across as entirely reasonable people 'they're just like us so their [abhorrent] views can't be that bad'. The giveaway, even if you weren't familiar with the name origin, was the vile avatar he had which was disgustingly discriminatory and I find astonishing that it was never removed. What was his avatar? I didn't think he had one. It was a picture with a comment that inferred that non-white immigration is not only undesirable but that it is responsible for crime, murder and violence. Nasty stuff.
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Post by andrewp on May 30, 2022 6:31:09 GMT
We are on holiday in Cornwall at the moment. Yesterday we got chatting to a lady in her 60s and it turned out that she lives in Honiton.
She told us that they had a by election coming up. She said ‘ He ( N Parish) was a good MP, and he shouldn’t have resigned. We are always Conservative, but we won’t vote in the by election. We’ll vote Conservative next time though. The government deserves a kicking, but the only problem is we’ll have a bloody pointless Lib Dem MP for a couple of years’. I offered no comment.
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Post by matureleft on May 30, 2022 10:20:45 GMT
We are on holiday in Cornwall at the moment. Yesterday we got chatting to a lady in her 60s and it turned out that she lives in Honiton. She told us that they had a by election coming up. She said ‘ He ( N Parish) was a good MP, and he shouldn’t have resigned. We are always Conservative, but we won’t vote in the by election. We’ll vote Conservative next time though. The government deserves a kicking, but the only problem is we’ll have a bloody pointless Lib Dem MP for a couple of years’. I offered no comment. A position representative of many electors in by-elections. They are an excellent means of kicking a government (and sometimes an opposition). But generally (the big exception in my lifetime were the by-elections leading up to 1997) they aren't a great indicator of sentiments when a government needs to be chosen. That doesn't stop a load of commentators inflating the result - they have to make a living.
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2022 10:36:06 GMT
We are on holiday in Cornwall at the moment. Yesterday we got chatting to a lady in her 60s and it turned out that she lives in Honiton. She told us that they had a by election coming up. She said ‘ He ( N Parish) was a good MP, and he shouldn’t have resigned. We are always Conservative, but we won’t vote in the by election. We’ll vote Conservative next time though. The government deserves a kicking, but the only problem is we’ll have a bloody pointless Lib Dem MP for a couple of years’. I offered no comment. A position representative of many electors in by-elections. They are an excellent means of kicking a government (and sometimes an opposition). But generally (the big exception in my lifetime were the by-elections leading up to 1997) they aren't a great indicator of sentiments when a government needs to be chosen. That doesn't stop a load of commentators inflating the result - they have to make a living. And that could be the case now, even if in a less extreme form. LibDems might not hold this seat at a GE if they win it (or indeed Shropshire N or even Chesham/Amersham) but it could still be a pointer to significant gains from the Tories in more marginal territory.
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Post by cogload on May 30, 2022 10:51:58 GMT
We are on holiday in Cornwall at the moment. Yesterday we got chatting to a lady in her 60s and it turned out that she lives in Honiton. She told us that they had a by election coming up. She said ‘ He ( N Parish) was a good MP, and he shouldn’t have resigned. We are always Conservative, but we won’t vote in the by election. We’ll vote Conservative next time though. The government deserves a kicking, but the only problem is we’ll have a bloody pointless Lib Dem MP for a couple of years’. I offered no comment. Me delivering in Honiton. "Yeah, voting for your lot". Don't we all love anecdotes.
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Post by aargauer on May 30, 2022 10:53:48 GMT
Labour / Tory results have a lot more meaning. If we were losing Bexley that would have been a bad sign.
If the Lib Dems are involved the result is essentially meaningless. Brecon?
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