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Post by tonyhill on May 25, 2022 20:29:58 GMT
I don't think you read their responses to that accusation very carefully.
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Post by aargauer on May 25, 2022 20:47:49 GMT
I don't think you read their responses to that accusation very carefully. Ok, one ex BNP supporter and one ex UKIP member?
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Post by Richard Cromwell on May 25, 2022 21:05:31 GMT
There's the rub. I had always been red-brown, combining very far-left views on economics with extreme nationalism - not an alien concept on the far-right, or even to the BNP and its history - but the main reason I disliked them was because I tended to be secular and permissive (if not down right liberal) on certain cultural issues like gender and sexuality. So, technically (and tortuously), either definition works. I don't think, however, it would be very fair to the yellow group to imply that the fact I can now find myself broadly agreeing with things they might say is because I've moved even further to the right than when I was a nationalist. So we have two ex BNP Green members here? We have no ex-BNP Green members here.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 25, 2022 22:27:25 GMT
It depends how you define it - you equate far right and libertarian, but others see it as linked to social conservatism and nationalism There's the rub. I had always been red-brown, combining very far-left views on economics with extreme nationalism ... So, SNP.
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Post by Khunanup on May 25, 2022 22:27:45 GMT
I have never been a member of the BNP. At the time you were thinking of I was a member of the Green Party (possibly lapsed - as happens from time to time). Still a far-right piece of shit, of course, but not a member of the BNP. Just for clarity, I didn't say you were a member though I think you identified as a supporter as your descriptor on the site (happy to be corrected if it was someone else)? Twas a long time ago regardless...
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Post by Richard Cromwell on May 25, 2022 23:12:13 GMT
I have never been a member of the BNP. At the time you were thinking of I was a member of the Green Party (possibly lapsed - as happens from time to time). Still a far-right piece of shit, of course, but not a member of the BNP. Just for clarity, I didn't say you were a member though I think you identified as a supporter as your descriptor on the site (happy to be corrected if it was someone else)? Twas a long time ago regardless... I assume this was because the descriptor "British nationalist" was used, though I think it had been used for a previous user. I can understand the confusion. I don't really know what the context is - certainly I am the one who held far right beliefs whereas it would be very unfair to suggest that Peter did.
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Post by neilm on May 26, 2022 7:54:50 GMT
Surprising to see someone who was a UKIP activist in the past offer up such a simplistic view of the origins or preferences of people who vote for UKIP and other right wing parties. I don't suppose at that time you would have voted Conservative in the absence of a UKIP candidate? (or when you were a member of the BNP for that matter) I have never voted Conservative. Or BNP for that matter. But you were a BNP member, no?
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 26, 2022 8:31:58 GMT
I have never voted Conservative. Or BNP for that matter. But you were a BNP member, no? IIRC Peter is ex-UKIP, not ex-BNP.
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Post by peterl on May 26, 2022 12:14:20 GMT
I was a UKIP member for 10 years and then after a brief pause joined the Greens in 2018.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 26, 2022 20:01:14 GMT
I was a UKIP member for 10 years and then after a brief pause joined the Greens in 2018. And before then? Oh yes, you were never a BNP member. You were only on the BNP membership list as you asked them about their policies. And the money was only resting in Father Ted’s account.
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Post by peterl on May 26, 2022 21:15:25 GMT
I was a UKIP member for 10 years and then after a brief pause joined the Greens in 2018. And before then? Oh yes, you were never a BNP member. You were only on the BNP membership list as you asked them about their policies. And the money was only resting in Father Ted’s account. I am known to be a perennial candidate. I stand for council at every opportunity. Whilst I was a member of UKIP, I stood six times. But I never stood for the BNP. Probably because I was not a member.
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 26, 2022 21:19:29 GMT
Whence came this alleged BNP membership list that peterl is supposed to have appeared on? Are you sure you have the right guy?
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Post by iainbhx on May 26, 2022 21:56:40 GMT
Whence came this alleged BNP membership list that peterl is supposed to have appeared on? Are you sure you have the right guy? There's a copy somewhere on Wikileaks, last time I looked, it was a fairly close match to the original. I'm not one of the board Stasi who keeps notes, but from what I remember of peterl's history, there's no close match for him on there unless he's migrated from Torquay.
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Post by Tony Otim on May 26, 2022 22:36:18 GMT
Is figgis confusing peter with Cromwell?
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Post by dundas on May 27, 2022 11:26:48 GMT
Whence came this alleged BNP membership list that peterl is supposed to have appeared on? Are you sure you have the right guy? There's a copy somewhere on Wikileaks, last time I looked, it was a fairly close match to the original. I'm not one of the board Stasi who keeps notes, but from what I remember of peterl's history, there's no close match for him on there unless he's migrated from Torquay. Wouldn't surprise me if the press just conflated the two. They basically admit to having done so with a Chris Byrne, but use the content to pad the article anyway.
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 27, 2022 12:13:23 GMT
One of the Officers who worked at my prison was on that infamous list. He was absolutely scandalised as he was the most unlokely person to have anything to do with the BNP. Lots of names were on there for rather less than clear reasons.
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Post by aidypiez on May 27, 2022 13:38:46 GMT
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Post by bsjmcr on May 28, 2022 10:29:02 GMT
Of course in North Shropshire the candidate had many faux pas being an outsider, not knowing his way around the area. Here the candidate is described as a “parish councillor” - not a borough Cllr. Could there be the opposite problem here in such a large sprawling constituency where she only knows her patch and not the rest of it, and may not do as well in the other areas.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 28, 2022 11:36:59 GMT
Of course in North Shropshire the candidate had many faux pas being an outsider, not knowing his way around the area. Here the candidate is described as a “parish councillor” - not a borough Cllr. Could there be the opposite problem here in such a large sprawling constituency where she only knows her patch and not the rest of it, and may not do as well in the other areas. The dynamics of the how local are you beauty parade!
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Post by WestCountryRadical on May 28, 2022 12:10:35 GMT
" anger about Downing Street shindogs is now so widespread in the rural Devon constituency ... "Another scandal? Boris's dog has been biting people's shins?!
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