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Post by No Offence Alan on May 24, 2022 23:01:58 GMT
Theres a gaping hole for a free market party in British politics. If PR ever comes in, we will likely get that option, even if it's only good for 10 or 15%. I think a left socialist party would probably get about the same vote, which would at least provide more genuine choice. Do you think such a party should start organising now or wait until PR comes into force?
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Post by johnloony on May 24, 2022 23:29:13 GMT
I think a left socialist party would probably get about the same vote, which would at least provide more genuine choice. Do you think such a party should start organising now or wait until PR comes into force? ”A” party? As if there aren’t already “some” left-socialist parties already 😄 SLP SWP WRP WPB SPGB SP CPB SSP CPGBML RCPBML Solidarity NCPB …
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Post by maxque on May 25, 2022 0:26:51 GMT
£1000 they will never see again. Will you see yours again? Well, I'm pretty sure they will at least get 500 back.
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Post by Merseymike on May 25, 2022 8:50:16 GMT
I think a left socialist party would probably get about the same vote, which would at least provide more genuine choice. Do you think such a party should start organising now or wait until PR comes into force? Wait until electoral reform. It's pointless otherwise. And the main component would need to be the current Labour left, not the myriad of revolutionary party-lets, for it to have any credibility. It's really not that unusual, looking at European party structures
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 25, 2022 10:59:54 GMT
Do you think such a party should start organising now or wait until PR comes into force? ”A” party? As if there aren’t already “some” left-socialist parties already 😄 SLP SWP WRP WPB SPGB SP CPB SSP CPGBML RCPBML Solidarity NCPB … "Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke, Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all!"
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Post by neilm on May 25, 2022 11:05:04 GMT
Do you think such a party should start organising now or wait until PR comes into force? ”A” party? As if there aren’t already “some” left-socialist parties already 😄 SLP SWP WRP WPB SPGB SP CPB SSP CPGBML RCPBML Solidarity NCPB … Although those aren't serious parties and don't offer anything of any interest to the electorate. Or, at least, don't package their offer very well.
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Post by catfest on May 25, 2022 11:12:06 GMT
`. . . Yeah, but. Everything ends up in WPB. (WastePaper Bin, anyone?)
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 25, 2022 12:14:08 GMT
”A” party? As if there aren’t already “some” left-socialist parties already 😄 SLP SWP WRP WPB SPGB SP CPB SSP CPGBML RCPBML Solidarity NCPB … Although those aren't serious parties and don't offer anything of any interest to the electorate. Or, at least, don't package their offer very well. ... and they rarely put themselves in front of the electorate anyway.
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Post by YL on May 25, 2022 16:52:35 GMT
SOPNJordan Donaghue-Morgan (Heritage Party) Andy Foan (Reform UK) Richard Foord (Lib Dem) Helen Hurford (Conservative) Liz Pole (Labour) Frankie Rufolo (For Britain) Ben Walker (UKIP) Gill Westcott (Green)
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Post by peterl on May 25, 2022 16:55:05 GMT
Pleased to see so many right wing splinter groups ready to split the Tory vote!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 25, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
Pleased to see so many right wing splinter groups ready to split the Tory vote! Surprising to see someone who was a UKIP activist in the past offer up such a simplistic view of the origins or preferences of people who vote for UKIP and other right wing parties. I don't suppose at that time you would have voted Conservative in the absence of a UKIP candidate? (or when you were a member of the BNP for that matter)
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Post by peterl on May 25, 2022 17:12:47 GMT
Pleased to see so many right wing splinter groups ready to split the Tory vote! Surprising to see someone who was a UKIP activist in the past offer up such a simplistic view of the origins or preferences of people who vote for UKIP and other right wing parties. I don't suppose at that time you would have voted Conservative in the absence of a UKIP candidate? (or when you were a member of the BNP for that matter) I have never voted Conservative. Or BNP for that matter.
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Post by European Lefty on May 25, 2022 17:15:23 GMT
There are large areas of the South West where the presence of UKIP would historically have hurt the LibDems more than anyone else.
Whether or not this is still true is possibly another matter
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Post by Khunanup on May 25, 2022 17:52:20 GMT
Pleased to see so many right wing splinter groups ready to split the Tory vote! Surprising to see someone who was a UKIP activist in the past offer up such a simplistic view of the origins or preferences of people who vote for UKIP and other right wing parties. I don't suppose at that time you would have voted Conservative in the absence of a UKIP candidate? (or when you were a member of the BNP for that matter) It was Richard Cromwell who was BNP.
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Post by Richard Cromwell on May 25, 2022 18:31:28 GMT
Surprising to see someone who was a UKIP activist in the past offer up such a simplistic view of the origins or preferences of people who vote for UKIP and other right wing parties. I don't suppose at that time you would have voted Conservative in the absence of a UKIP candidate? (or when you were a member of the BNP for that matter) It was Richard Cromwell who was BNP. I have never been a member of the BNP. At the time you were thinking of I was a member of the Green Party (possibly lapsed - as happens from time to time). Still a far-right piece of shit, of course, but not a member of the BNP.
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Post by sirbenjamin on May 25, 2022 18:56:03 GMT
I have never been a member of the BNP. At the time you were thinking of I was a member of the Green Party (possibly lapsed - as happens from time to time). Still a far-right piece of shit, of course, but not a member of the BNP.
Somebody truly far-right wouldn't want anything to do with the BNP.
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Post by Merseymike on May 25, 2022 18:58:12 GMT
I have never been a member of the BNP. At the time you were thinking of I was a member of the Green Party (possibly lapsed - as happens from time to time). Still a far-right piece of shit, of course, but not a member of the BNP. Somebody truly far-right wouldn't want anything to do with the BNP.
It depends how you define it - you equate far right and libertarian, but others see it as linked to social conservatism and nationalism
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Post by Richard Cromwell on May 25, 2022 19:04:29 GMT
Somebody truly far-right wouldn't want anything to do with the BNP.
It depends how you define it - you equate far right and libertarian, but others see it as linked to social conservatism and nationalism There's the rub. I had always been red-brown, combining very far-left views on economics with extreme nationalism - not an alien concept on the far-right, or even to the BNP and its history - but the main reason I disliked them was because I tended to be secular and permissive (if not down right liberal) on certain cultural issues like gender and sexuality. So, technically (and tortuously), either definition works. I don't think, however, it would be very fair to the yellow group to imply that the fact I can now find myself broadly agreeing with things they might say is because I've moved even further to the right than when I was a nationalist.
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Post by greenhert on May 25, 2022 20:01:42 GMT
SOPNJordan Donaghue-Morgan (Heritage Party) Andy Foan (Reform UK) Richard Foord (Lib Dem) Helen Hurford (Conservative) Liz Pole (Labour) Frankie Rufolo (For Britain) Ben Walker (UKIP) Gill Westcott (Green) I am surprised the list of candidates is not longer (only just over half as long as the Wakefield by-election's SOPN), although the fact Wakefield is currently a key Labour-Conservative marginal must have attracted more candidates.
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Post by aargauer on May 25, 2022 20:20:51 GMT
It depends how you define it - you equate far right and libertarian, but others see it as linked to social conservatism and nationalism There's the rub. I had always been red-brown, combining very far-left views on economics with extreme nationalism - not an alien concept on the far-right, or even to the BNP and its history - but the main reason I disliked them was because I tended to be secular and permissive (if not down right liberal) on certain cultural issues like gender and sexuality. So, technically (and tortuously), either definition works. I don't think, however, it would be very fair to the yellow group to imply that the fact I can now find myself broadly agreeing with things they might say is because I've moved even further to the right than when I was a nationalist. So we have two ex BNP Green members here?
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