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Wakefield
May 28, 2022 14:24:52 GMT
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Post by devolutionist on May 28, 2022 14:24:52 GMT
Yorkshire Party, Labour and Reform Party out and about in Horbury today. Richard Tice door knocking with the Reform candidate. There are a considerable number of right wing candidates standing which won't help the Conservative party. I wonder how well Reform will do - if they can't make any impact in a seat like this then I wonder if they have much of a future? Just seen a convoy of Britain First vehicles in Horbury, should imagine this could be quite intimidating to some
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Post by Tony Otim on May 28, 2022 19:05:03 GMT
Yorkshire Party, Labour and Reform Party out and about in Horbury today. Richard Tice door knocking with the Reform candidate. There are a considerable number of right wing candidates standing which won't help the Conservative party. I wonder how well Reform will do - if they can't make any impact in a seat like this then I wonder if they have much of a future? Very similar things were said before both Old Bexley & Sidcup and North Shropshire and they failed to save either deposit - any reason to believe this will be any better for them?
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Wakefield
May 28, 2022 19:15:35 GMT
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Post by agbutler on May 28, 2022 19:15:35 GMT
There are a considerable number of right wing candidates standing which won't help the Conservative party. I wonder how well Reform will do - if they can't make any impact in a seat like this then I wonder if they have much of a future? Very similar things were said before both Old Bexley & Sidcup and North Shropshire and they failed to save either deposit - any reason to believe this will be any better for them? To be entirely fair to Richard Tice he did save his deposit in Old Bexley & Sidcup
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Post by devolutionist on May 28, 2022 19:44:16 GMT
Talking to locals in Horbury today and it seems that nobody has seen or heard anything from the Lib Dems (door knock or leaflet), and this is their best ward in the constituency for results in recent history (Mark Goodair's manor), I guess we can assume that they are effectively running with a paper candidate?
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Post by Tony Otim on May 28, 2022 19:47:28 GMT
Very similar things were said before both Old Bexley & Sidcup and North Shropshire and they failed to save either deposit - any reason to believe this will be any better for them? To be entirely fair to Richard Tice he did save his deposit in Old Bexley & Sidcup Quite right - I remembered wrongly, but still they didn't really live up to the hype of how well they could do, which was the main point (and probably what caused me to remember it wrongly).
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Post by iain on May 28, 2022 19:56:36 GMT
Talking to locals in Horbury today and it seems that nobody has seen or heard anything from the Lib Dems (door knock or leaflet), and this is their best ward in the constituency for results in recent history (Mark Goodair's manor), I guess we can assume that they are effectively running with a paper candidate? I don’t think you needed to talk to any locals to work that out.
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Wakefield
May 28, 2022 20:02:41 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on May 28, 2022 20:02:41 GMT
There are a considerable number of right wing candidates standing which won't help the Conservative party. I wonder how well Reform will do - if they can't make any impact in a seat like this then I wonder if they have much of a future? Very similar things were said before both Old Bexley & Sidcup and North Shropshire and they failed to save either deposit - any reason to believe this will be any better for them? No! Given the Government favour populist economics and enough dog whistle prejudice to maintain some support from that quarter I can't see where Reform fit in.
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 20:09:02 GMT
They were too quick to ditch the brexit party name. It gave a better indication to the average punter what they are about than "reform" - which is as crap a name as change uk.
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Post by devolutionist on May 28, 2022 20:35:50 GMT
Talking to locals in Horbury today and it seems that nobody has seen or heard anything from the Lib Dems (door knock or leaflet), and this is their best ward in the constituency for results in recent history (Mark Goodair's manor), I guess we can assume that they are effectively running with a paper candidate? I don’t think you needed to talk to any locals to work that out. Why though? Serious question, I'm not being facetious. Obviously 'staffers' will be focused on another by-election, and I know that the Lib Dems run very lean when it comes to salaried employees. But the Lib Dems took 16.3% of the vote in Wakefield in 2010, and 16.3% in 2005, 9 candidates in the latter, the constituency hasn't always been completely hopeless for you, and you can't tell me that activists from the north will be travelling down to Devon? Feels like it would have been a decent opportunity to try and recover some support locally and win back a deposit (and possibly gain a few members, you managed an appalling 7 candidates in 21 wards in the May 2021 locals in Wakefield District). Surprised you can't draw on enough people across West Yorkshire to put together some sort of campaign in a by-election. Your candidate is a likeable person (in fact, I said just that to the Labour candidate today).
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Post by batman on May 28, 2022 20:41:54 GMT
it's fairly clear that there's a sort of informal non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems & Labour, and that the former have realised (not very difficult) that Labour are much better placed to win Wakefield, and that they have a better chance in Tiverton & Honiton. If the Lib Dems had a realistic chance of winning Wakefield, it would be different, but they don't. Nor do Labour have a realistic chance of winning in T & H
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Post by devolutionist on May 28, 2022 20:47:44 GMT
it's fairly clear that there's a sort of informal non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems & Labour, and that the former have realised (not very difficult) that Labour are much better placed to win Wakefield, and that they have a better chance in Tiverton & Honiton. If the Lib Dems had a realistic chance of winning Wakefield, it would be different, but they don't. Nor do Labour have a realistic chance of winning in T & H Ah OK, yes that makes sense. And its good news for the Yorkshire Party vote share, if anybody still bothers trying to place parties on a left-right spectrum then most wouldn't place us too far apart.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 28, 2022 21:00:04 GMT
it's fairly clear that there's a sort of informal non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems & Labour, and that the former have realised (not very difficult) that Labour are much better placed to win Wakefield, and that they have a better chance in Tiverton & Honiton. If the Lib Dems had a realistic chance of winning Wakefield, it would be different, but they don't. Nor do Labour have a realistic chance of winning in T & H Agreed. The interesting thing to me is that, on paper, there is of course an argument based on the last two GEs that Labour is better placed than us in T & H, which is also in line with their advance (to some extent at our expense) in Cornwall and the West Country generally. I consider it a sign of maturity that they appear to have taken on board the 1997-2010 history respecting LD ceiling. If we were to play silly buggers in Wakefield I would expect the mood in Labour to change fairly strongly and I think they'd easily have the capacity to scupper us in Devon (in what will be a tough call anyway.)
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 28, 2022 21:12:34 GMT
I love hedges. I've not thought why before but they do have a pleasant 'my home is my castle' element. Yes, but without the sense of being trapped inside that a fence or wall can give if it is out of scale. (Though Leylandii hedges are all horribly oppressive, I'd rather have a wall anyway.) I have a theory that field hedgerows are the perfect English ecosystem, because they combine trees, shrubs and bushes (and shade therefrom) with climbers and herbaceous flowers in the sunlight beyond the line of hedge; and that the English flower garden is essentially a non-linear hedge. Hence herbaceous and mixed "borders" as opposed to beds. Small woods and copses are more characteristic of the English coutryside than vast forests.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 28, 2022 21:17:33 GMT
Tories love hedges. They symbolise so many Tory values like privacy, rurality, property ownership, social conformity. Time was when it was ha-has. Barriers that keep cattle and the rabble out but let you observe them from a safe distance so long as they are sufficiently picturesque.
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Post by European Lefty on May 28, 2022 22:07:47 GMT
it's fairly clear that there's a sort of informal non-aggression pact between the Lib Dems & Labour, and that the former have realised (not very difficult) that Labour are much better placed to win Wakefield, and that they have a better chance in Tiverton & Honiton. If the Lib Dems had a realistic chance of winning Wakefield, it would be different, but they don't. Nor do Labour have a realistic chance of winning in T & H Agreed. The interesting thing to me is that, on paper, there is of course an argument based on the last two GEs that Labour is better placed than us in T & H, which is also in line with their advance (to some extent at our expense) in Cornwall and the West Country generally. I consider it a sign of maturity that they appear to have taken on board the 1997-2010 history respecting LD ceiling. If we were to play silly buggers in Wakefield I would expect the mood in Labour to change fairly strongly and I think they'd easily have the capacity to scupper us in Devon (in what will be a tough call anyway.) I take a rather different view. I think we have a chance to start replacing the LibDems as the main challengers in some of those seats, and this constituency certainly has some pockets that demographically look very nice for Labour. Although it looks crazy now, I see no reason why a Labour government in c. 2050 shouldn't include several MPs from former dead spots in the south west. However, the work towards that has to start now and if we leave seats like this the the LDs then not only will we not get the opportunity to build towards winning them ourselves, but we might actually undo some of the progress we've already made, e.g. by winning a councillor in Honiton
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Post by finsobruce on May 28, 2022 23:12:33 GMT
My home is between a large forest and a small copse. So you really can't see the wood for the trees?
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Post by carlton43 on May 28, 2022 23:39:16 GMT
My home is between a large forest and a small copse. So you really can't see the wood for the trees? Ain't that the living truth?
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Post by yellowperil on May 29, 2022 7:00:02 GMT
Tories love hedges. They symbolise so many Tory values like privacy, rurality, property ownership, social conformity. Time was when it was ha-has. Barriers that keep cattle and the rabble out but let you observe them from a safe distance so long as they are sufficiently picturesque. I like the thought of a picturesque rabble. I can't claim to have a ha-ha personally but our original village great house (Surrenden Dering) does, and I regularly walk a path which drops down into a deep dry ditch which is the continuation of the ha-ha. The ha-ha has outlived the great house, a substantial part of which was destroyed by fire in 1952. I have a very good friend living in the one surviving wing, and other friends living in the stable blocks which are now more substantial than the house itself. The Dering family were of course prominent Tories, but the estate has more recently featured a number of Lib Dem and before that Alliance events.
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Post by The Bishop on May 29, 2022 9:47:47 GMT
Until now I never knew it was called a "ha-ha" - this place really does sometimes inform you of the strangest things
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 29, 2022 10:18:57 GMT
My home is between a large forest and a small copse. Also, even Lib Dems have looked at markgoodair and concluded that they do not wish to be associated. Yeah, well you're a bloody Scot, completely foreign landscape. I bet it's got pines in it.
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