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Post by WJ on Feb 18, 2022 9:36:00 GMT
WJ what's the Trianon drum-banging this time? Nothing new, just enough to keep the flame alive. I mentioned earlier that there we worries of overseas voter suppression. This is not strictly true and an over simplification. There are worries that voters in countries without a native Hungarian population (Germany, UK, etc) will not have their votes counted. But Hungarians living in places like the Székelyland are very strong Fidesz supporters and Orban has made a point of campaigning in Romania in the past. Hungary has also been forging deeper ties with Serbia in recent years and is one of they loudest supporters for EU membership. It's easy to forget there are almost 2 million ethnic Hungarians in bordering states and the government has made it much easier for them to get citizenship and vote in recent years. Incidentally, this and other activities, like trying to get Serbia into the EU fold are the reasons why I think Hungary does not want to leave the EU, despite the rhetoric. The EU makes access to the diaspora so much easier and much more legitimate. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 20, 2022 22:58:57 GMT
WJ what's the Trianon drum-banging this time? Nothing new, just enough to keep the flame alive. I mentioned earlier that there we worries of overseas voter suppression. This is not strictly true and an over simplification. There are worries that voters in countries without a native Hungarian population (Germany, UK, etc) will not have their votes counted. But Hungarians living in places like the Székelyland are very strong Fidesz supporters and Orban has made a point of campaigning in Romania in the past. Hungary has also been forging deeper ties with Serbia in recent years and is one of they loudest supporters for EU membership. It's easy to forget there are almost 2 million ethnic Hungarians in bordering states and the government has made it much easier for them to get citizenship and vote in recent years. Incidentally, this and other activities, like trying to get Serbia into the EU fold are the reasons why I think Hungary does not want to leave the EU, despite the rhetoric. The EU makes access to the diaspora so much easier and much more legitimate. Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) |
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Post by WJ on Feb 20, 2022 23:07:40 GMT
Nothing new, just enough to keep the flame alive. I mentioned earlier that there we worries of overseas voter suppression. This is not strictly true and an over simplification. There are worries that voters in countries without a native Hungarian population (Germany, UK, etc) will not have their votes counted. But Hungarians living in places like the Székelyland are very strong Fidesz supporters and Orban has made a point of campaigning in Romania in the past. Hungary has also been forging deeper ties with Serbia in recent years and is one of they loudest supporters for EU membership. It's easy to forget there are almost 2 million ethnic Hungarians in bordering states and the government has made it much easier for them to get citizenship and vote in recent years. Incidentally, this and other activities, like trying to get Serbia into the EU fold are the reasons why I think Hungary does not want to leave the EU, despite the rhetoric. The EU makes access to the diaspora so much easier and much more legitimate. Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) Out of the frying pan, into the fire and then onto the compost heap! I'm never in Budapest, so I've no idea. I would not be surprised if they indulged in a bit of flag flying on important days in the Székelyland calendar. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 20, 2022 23:25:15 GMT
Nothing new, just enough to keep the flame alive. I mentioned earlier that there we worries of overseas voter suppression. This is not strictly true and an over simplification. There are worries that voters in countries without a native Hungarian population (Germany, UK, etc) will not have their votes counted. But Hungarians living in places like the Székelyland are very strong Fidesz supporters and Orban has made a point of campaigning in Romania in the past. Hungary has also been forging deeper ties with Serbia in recent years and is one of they loudest supporters for EU membership. It's easy to forget there are almost 2 million ethnic Hungarians in bordering states and the government has made it much easier for them to get citizenship and vote in recent years. Incidentally, this and other activities, like trying to get Serbia into the EU fold are the reasons why I think Hungary does not want to leave the EU, despite the rhetoric. The EU makes access to the diaspora so much easier and much more legitimate. Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) Anniversary of one of Janos Nagy, one of Blackburn's Hungarian stalwarts, was marked today. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 20, 2022 23:30:11 GMT
Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) Anniversary of one of Janos Nagy, one of Blackburn's Hungarian stalwarts, was marked today. Big John. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 20, 2022 23:31:55 GMT
Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) Out of the frying pan, into the fire and then onto the compost heap! I'm never in Budapest, so I've no idea. I would not be surprised if they indulged in a bit of flag flying on important days in the Székelyland calendar. The last time I was in Budapest (my birthday in 2019, admittedly), it flew every day of the year. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 20, 2022 23:53:21 GMT
Anniversary of one of Janos Nagy, one of Blackburn's Hungarian stalwarts, was marked today. Big John. His widow is one formidable lady. Great cake-maker too. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 21, 2022 23:22:21 GMT
Is the Székely Land flag still flying in front of the parliament building in Budapest? (My husband’s grandmother was Székely, fled from there to Hungary, and then fled from socialism to Lancashire after the revolution in Hungary) Anniversary of one of Janos Nagy, one of Blackburn's Hungarian stalwarts, was marked today. There was a documentary about the escapees of 1956 many years ago, and it featured four Hungarians as I recall. Three (including the novelist Stephen Vizinczey) all had strong Hungarian accents all those years later, but one of them had acquired the broadest Oldham accent. Made Cannon and Ball sound like Brian Sewell. |
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Post by WJ on Feb 23, 2022 14:14:44 GMT
Campaign literature is starting to appear in my post. So far I've had two leaflets from United for Hungary and one from the Leftist Alliance. There are not as many campaign posters around as I expected, I think I've just seen one Fidesz poster so far. I expect that to change in the coming weeks.
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Post by WJ on Feb 24, 2022 11:03:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 11:26:02 GMT
I didn't realise there were quite so many Hungarian nationals in the UK. Polling stations in London, Manchester and Edinburgh. Won't that be where the biggest concentrations are? Or is it more spread out than that? |
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Post by rcronald on Feb 24, 2022 11:57:19 GMT
UFH has way too many unsavory characters for me to support them, so I suppose Fidesz by default….
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Post by WJ on Feb 24, 2022 12:30:55 GMT
I didn't realise there were quite so many Hungarian nationals in the UK. Polling stations in London, Manchester and Edinburgh. Won't that be where the biggest concentrations are? Or is it more spread out than that? I assume that would cover a good proportion, I've no idea how Hungarians are distributed around the country- is that sort of data collected by the ONS or other bodies? 155,000 is quite a hefty chunk of the voting population and could easily swing the election if they all voted (in 2014 it was a 61% turnout and 5 million votes cast). |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 24, 2022 13:26:35 GMT
I didn't realise there were quite so many Hungarian nationals in the UK. Polling stations in London, Manchester and Edinburgh. Won't that be where the biggest concentrations are? Or is it more spread out than that? I assume that would cover a good proportion, I've no idea how Hungarians are distributed around the country- is that sort of data collected by the ONS or other bodies? 155,000 is quite a hefty chunk of the voting population and could easily swing the election if they all voted (in 2014 it was a 61% turnout and 5 million votes cast). As a Grammar School boy I collected for the support of the Hungarian Uprising as one of those on the street collections in Maidstone in 1956. So very long ago and now a new perspective! |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 24, 2022 13:31:15 GMT
United for Hungary I'd like to know a bit more about "the Solution Movement" but I suspect it's a vanity project. I think that it may soon be dissolved. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:51:55 GMT
I didn't realise there were quite so many Hungarian nationals in the UK. Polling stations in London, Manchester and Edinburgh. Won't that be where the biggest concentrations are? Or is it more spread out than that? I assume that would cover a good proportion, I've no idea how Hungarians are distributed around the country- is that sort of data collected by the ONS or other bodies? 155,000 is quite a hefty chunk of the voting population and could easily swing the election if they all voted (in 2014 it was a 61% turnout and 5 million votes cast). According to Wikipedia, an estimated 55% of Hungarians in the UK live in London and the South East. Some estimates, however, suggest that the true Hungarian-born population of the UK could be up to 200,000 compared to the census total of 52,250 or the 2019 ONS estimate of 98,000 so who knows how much use that is |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Feb 24, 2022 19:41:05 GMT
Will Russia's actions alter the result of this election?
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Post by WJ on Feb 25, 2022 10:58:09 GMT
Will Russia's actions alter the result of this election? Too early to say, although it is true that Hungary is heavily invested in the outcome of this conflict. On the one side they want to be seen to be the protectors of ethnic Hungarians and on the other not wanting to risk the gas tap being turned off. Hungary is one of the most gas-reliant countries in the EU. I just had an interesting email from the Hungarian government, laying out their position (roughly translated by Google here): Dear Compatriot! Unfortunately, the worst-case scenario occurred in Hungary's immediate neighborhood: a war that even the diplomatic efforts of the largest countries could not prevent. In this situation, the most important thing is to guarantee the security of the Hungarian people. We are concerned about Ukraine, we stand for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, but war is not the answer. It is in our fundamental interest for Hungary to stay out of the war conflict. That is why we consider it irresponsible and do not support the opposition's position that Hungary should send troops and weapons to Ukraine. Nor will we support proposals that endanger Hungary's gas supply and overhead cuts. As a member of the EU and NATO, Hungary supports joint efforts to restore peace. The Hungarian Armed Forces is prepared for border protection and humanitarian tasks, and our embassy provides all assistance to Hungarians in Ukraine. Sincerely, Government Information Center |
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 4, 2022 7:15:34 GMT
More and more Ukrainian refugees heading into Hungary. Will this have any effect on the election.?
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Post by WJ on Mar 4, 2022 7:28:25 GMT
Unlikely at this stage. But it will depend on a number of factors.
Currently the government and the main opposition are in favour of accepting refugees (more or less). Therefore unless there is a major change in policy, there's nothing to choose between them on this matter.
I've not seen any data on the ethnic makeup of the refugees entering via Hungary. I suspect that a hefty chunk are ethnic Hungarians. All parties want to be seen as protectors of ethnic Hungarians abroad and so if the refugees continue to be mostly Hungarians, then they will we welcomed with open arms. Should we see a massive spike in other ethnicities then we might start to see some divergence in opinion.
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