Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Dec 16, 2021 21:01:58 GMT
And we start 2022 in Nottinghamshire. The good news for the Tories is that they can't lose any this week:
GEDLING DC; Cavendish (Lab resigned)
Candidates:
BUTTERWORTH, John Charles (Labour)
DUNKIN, Andrew Mark (Liberal Democrat)
LOI, Fran (No Description)
MALTBY, Darren Robert (Conservative)
NORRIS, Jim (Green)
2019: Lab 704, 695; Con 314, 272; LD 250, 236
2015: Lab 953, 943; LD 630, 612; Con 599, 490; UKIP 503, 373
Andrew Dunkin was the top Lib Dem candidates in 2019 & 2015 and was also their top candidate in the Carlton West division (which contains this ward) in May 2021. Fran Loi is a former UKIP candidate but not in this ward.
Current Council: Lab 28; Con 8; Ind 2; LD 2; 1 vacancy
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Post by shadsy on Jan 2, 2022 16:28:41 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 3, 2022 8:49:00 GMT
And we start 2022 in Nottinghamshire. The good news for the Tories is that they can't lose any this week: GEDLING DC; Cavendish (Lab resigned) Candidates: BUTTERWORTH, John Charles (Labour) DUNKIN, Andrew Mark (Liberal Democrat) LOI, Fran (No Description) MALTBY, Darren Robert (Conservative) NORRIS, Jim (Green) 2019: Lab 704, 695; Con 314, 272; LD 250, 236 2015: Lab 953, 943; LD 630, 612; Con 599, 490; UKIP 503, 373 Andrew Dunkin was the top Lib Dem candidates in 2019 & 2015 and was also their top candidate in the Carlton West division (which contains this ward) in May 2021. Fran Loi is a former UKIP candidate but not in this ward. Current Council: Lab 28; Con 8; Ind 2; LD 2; 1 vacancy I predict they will come third though! |
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Post by phil156 on Jan 4, 2022 13:43:36 GMT
Gedling does count on Thursday night too
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 5, 2022 11:32:17 GMT
How close is the present Cavendish ward to the former Valley ward which I assume was broadly its predecessor? I have only looked at the Andrew Teale maps on LEAP and not at detailed ward maps, but it seems to be broadly in the same place. I note that Andrew Dunkin was a Lib Dem councillor for that ward pre-coalition, as well as the defeated candidate for Cavendish in 2015 and 2019, so he has been around a while.
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 5, 2022 15:58:02 GMT
As nobody answered my query, I tried doing it myself and googled the Gedling old wards and new wards and compared the detailed street maps and boundaries of the old Valley ward and the new Cavendish ward- there is indeed a substantial overlap, maybe 60-70% common with some interesting changes on the edge, I think some bits of Valley went into Phoenix ward- which remains in Lib Dem hands- I wonder if they were the best bits for Lib Dems? Do we have anyone here with first hand knowledge of Gedling? The relevant bit of Gedling is of course Carlton- now who would know anything about that?
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Post by maxque on Jan 5, 2022 16:10:11 GMT
How close is the present Cavendish ward to the former Valley ward which I assume was broadly its predecessor? I have only looked at the Andrew Teale maps on LEAP and not at detailed ward maps, but it seems to be broadly in the same place. I note that Andrew Dunkin was a Lib Dem councillor for that ward pre-coalition, as well as the defeated candidate for Cavendish in 2015 and 2019, so he has been around a while. It's in a similar place, but there is significant changes (Cavendish doesn't cover the southwest part of Valley, but covers a small part of the old Carlton ward and the south of both Phoenix and St James ward. It slid to the north and slightly to the east. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 5, 2022 16:13:38 GMT
As nobody answered my query, I tried doing it myself and googled the Gedling old wards and new wards and compared the detailed street maps and boundaries of the old Valley ward and the new Cavendish ward- there is indeed a substantial overlap, maybe 60-70% common with some interesting changes on the edge, I think some bits of Valley went into Phoenix ward- which remains in Lib Dem hands- I wonder if they were the best bits for Lib Dems? Do we have anyone here with first hand knowledge of Gedling? The relevant bit of Gedling is of course Carlton- now who would know anything about that? No part of Valley went into Phoenix, the current Phoenix is a mix of the north of St James and the west of the old Phoenix. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 5, 2022 16:51:16 GMT
As nobody answered my query, I tried doing it myself and googled the Gedling old wards and new wards and compared the detailed street maps and boundaries of the old Valley ward and the new Cavendish ward- there is indeed a substantial overlap, maybe 60-70% common with some interesting changes on the edge, I think some bits of Valley went into Phoenix ward- which remains in Lib Dem hands- I wonder if they were the best bits for Lib Dems? Do we have anyone here with first hand knowledge of Gedling? The relevant bit of Gedling is of course Carlton- now who would know anything about that? No part of Valley went into Phoenix, the current Phoenix is a mix of the north of St James and the west of the old Phoenix. Thank you for that - I don't know the area at all, am flipping between various online maps and really need to be able superimpose them but that's difficult, which is why I was hoping someone with good knowledge of the area could sort me out. I hadn't really expected the help would come from Canada! Nothing of course from the eponymous carlton43 |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 5, 2022 19:01:34 GMT
No part of Valley went into Phoenix, the current Phoenix is a mix of the north of St James and the west of the old Phoenix. Thank you for that - I don't know the area at all, am flipping between various online maps and really need to be able superimpose them but that's difficult, which is why I was hoping someone with good knowledge of the area could sort me out. I hadn't really expected the help would come from Canada! Nothing of course from the eponymous carlton43 Sorry. I have been there decades ago but don't know it very well. My Carlton is the one to the north of Worksop on Lindrick. Same county but one of the very many Carltons. |
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Post by dizz on Jan 5, 2022 19:11:49 GMT
As nobody answered my query, I tried doing it myself and googled the Gedling old wards and new wards and compared the detailed street maps and boundaries of the old Valley ward and the new Cavendish ward- there is indeed a substantial overlap, maybe 60-70% common with some interesting changes on the edge, I think some bits of Valley went into Phoenix ward- which remains in Lib Dem hands- I wonder if they were the best bits for Lib Dems? Do we have anyone here with first hand knowledge of Gedling? The relevant bit of Gedling is of course Carlton- now who would know anything about that? I was at the school now called the Carlton Academy for 7 years so know the North West part very well having trudged done the hill to it & had a paper round there. It's no Mapperley Plains or Woodthorpe.  |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 5, 2022 19:26:38 GMT
Thank you for that - I don't know the area at all, am flipping between various online maps and really need to be able superimpose them but that's difficult, which is why I was hoping someone with good knowledge of the area could sort me out. I hadn't really expected the help would come from Canada! Nothing of course from the eponymous carlton43 Sorry. I have been there decades ago but don't know it very well. My Carlton is the one to the north of Worksop on Lindrick. Same county but one of the very many Carltons. Ah, that's another Carlton I don't know (or understand). The only one in that part of the world I do know is Carlton on Trent, but that's not very helpful either. Anyway, thanks for the response. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 5, 2022 20:35:35 GMT
As nobody answered my query, I tried doing it myself and googled the Gedling old wards and new wards and compared the detailed street maps and boundaries of the old Valley ward and the new Cavendish ward- there is indeed a substantial overlap, maybe 60-70% common with some interesting changes on the edge, I think some bits of Valley went into Phoenix ward- which remains in Lib Dem hands- I wonder if they were the best bits for Lib Dems? Do we have anyone here with first hand knowledge of Gedling? The relevant bit of Gedling is of course Carlton- now who would know anything about that? I was at the school now called the Carlton Academy for 7 years so know the North West part very well having trudged done the hill to it & had a paper round there. It's no Mapperley Plains or Woodthorpe.  Ironically, the former voted Labour for the first time in 2019 (so did Woodthorpe in 2011, with the ward looking quite safe now for Labour). |
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Post by batman on Jan 5, 2022 21:01:58 GMT
Sorry. I have been there decades ago but don't know it very well. My Carlton is the one to the north of Worksop on Lindrick. Same county but one of the very many Carltons. Ah, that's another Carlton I don't know (or understand). The only one in that part of the world I do know is Carlton on Trent, but that's not very helpful either. Anyway, thanks for the response. the Carlton Tavern in Kilburn, unlike its immediate surrounds, is excellent. But it isn't in an area called Carlton |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 6, 2022 7:55:32 GMT
I note that a certain Serbian tennis player, having had his Australian visa revoked, is being held in a detention centre in Carlton. There was bound to be an Oz one.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 6, 2022 8:20:51 GMT
Ah, that's another Carlton I don't know (or understand). The only one in that part of the world I do know is Carlton on Trent, but that's not very helpful either. Anyway, thanks for the response. the Carlton Tavern in Kilburn, unlike its immediate surrounds, is excellent. But it isn't in an area called Carlton There was of course a ward called Carlton in that area before 2002 (as you will know) which was one of the grimmest wards in the whole of London (though I think your pub is actually in the Maida Vale ward of Westminster |
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Post by batman on Jan 6, 2022 8:45:14 GMT
you are correct in every detail Pete, characteristically on such matters, it is a very grim area although it does have some newer flats & houses which are a bit better than the old. I was working in the former Carlton ward (I have met former Brent council leader John Lebor, and been pretty unimpressed with him - I think he was councillor for that ward, which was and still is in its current guise extremely safe Labour), as part of my job that is, and found myself finishing in a road called Carlton Vale, perhaps appropriately at a boarded-up tower block ready for demolition. I wondered "where is that Carlton Tavern I've heard about", looked down the road across the borough boundary and there it was. There are boarded-up council flats directly opposite there too, ready for demolition by Westminster council. I was surprised by the prettiness of the gardens belonging to those flats and how well-maintained they are considering the flats are coming down soon. The pub was illegally demolished and the developers were forced by legal process to reconstruct it brick by brick & restore it to its former appearance, and it's been done very well.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 6, 2022 9:26:11 GMT
I note that a certain Sebian tennis player, having had his Australian visa revoked, is being held in a detention centre in Carlton. There was bound to be an Oz one. There's an Aussie Rules football team, the Carlton Blues, representing the area. They're currently a bit in the doldrums and haven't won the premiership since 1995. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2022 9:32:22 GMT
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Post by batman on Jan 6, 2022 12:02:59 GMT
oh it's a nursing home? didn't look like one, but obviously you know.
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