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Post by neilm on Dec 20, 2021 8:35:03 GMT
I’m not sure I’d go quite that far. He’s clearly beyond the mainstream Chilean right and very populist, but not exactly the fash. Close enough. Dictatorship apologist (incl. torture and disappearances) and son of an actual Nazi, whose views he never distanced himself from. It's quite common to call Kast far right (has been done by plenty of serious media and researchers) and not without reason, he's not your run-of-the-mill right wing populist. If elected he'd likely be a more competent and ruthless version of Bolsonaro. Does one have to distance oneself from the views of parents or other family members? Assuming guilt by association is a dangerous position to take regardless of the person's own views. |
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 20, 2021 9:43:45 GMT
On my last visit to Chile the guide was a German Chilean, and spoke in German to some of the locals in the Lake District. German immigration to southern Chile was strongly encouraged for fear of the Argentinians annexing northern Patagonia. There are many Slavs in southern Patagonia for similar reasons. And as usual later generations have abandonned the hard pioneer life for the cities. I saw an article years ago about certain places loom large in the psyche of European countries as New World utopias for which generations past had left. Slightly mythical, and often with a bittersweet sense of people failing or succeeding, staying or returning, and various permutations of those. For Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia and Germany, America normally filled this role. For Ukrainians, Canada (as a positive) and Brazil (as a negative). For Germans from the Hunsrück, Brazil again. Italy, a mix of America and Argentina. And for Croatia, Chile very much takes that role, apparently. Really fascinating. (That reminds me that there is a town in Brazil that is essentially run as a Ukrainian Greek Catholic theocracy) And of course the new president comes from southern Patagonia and is indeed of Croatian descent. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 20, 2021 10:06:28 GMT
I saw an article years ago about certain places loom large in the psyche of European countries as New World utopias for which generations past had left. Slightly mythical, and often with a bittersweet sense of people failing or succeeding, staying or returning, and various permutations of those. For Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia and Germany, America normally filled this role. For Ukrainians, Canada (as a positive) and Brazil (as a negative). For Germans from the Hunsrück, Brazil again. Italy, a mix of America and Argentina. And for Croatia, Chile very much takes that role, apparently. Really fascinating. (That reminds me that there is a town in Brazil that is essentially run as a Ukrainian Greek Catholic theocracy) And of course the new president comes from southern Patagonia and is indeed of Croatian descent. Not unlike a certain N. Kirchner! Whose mother was of Croat descent. |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Dec 20, 2021 11:57:45 GMT
The English community in Chile have just sent me a pack of mince pies to celebrate Christmas, reaffirming their commitment to "a more inclusive, supportive and respectful society." I appreciate the gesture but they could begin by asking the UK to return the illegally occupied Chagos islands.
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 12:03:00 GMT
The English community in Chile have just sent me a pack of mince pies to celebrate Christmas, reaffirming their commitment to "a more inclusive, supportive and respectful society." I appreciate the gesture but they could begin by asking the UK to return the illegally occupied Chagos islands. Why did they send you the mince pies?
I'm not arguing against your right to a mince pie or two, just wondering about the targetting by the ex pat mince pie delivery network in Chile.
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 12:04:34 GMT
Victory for Boric, Kast has conceded. His first move should be to set up a network of bicycles for easy hire and call them Boric Bikes. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 20, 2021 12:23:45 GMT
Close enough. Dictatorship apologist (incl. torture and disappearances) and son of an actual Nazi, whose views he never distanced himself from. It's quite common to call Kast far right (has been done by plenty of serious media and researchers) and not without reason, he's not your run-of-the-mill right wing populist. If elected he'd likely be a more competent and ruthless version of Bolsonaro. Does one have to distance oneself from the views of parents or other family members? Assuming guilt by association is a dangerous position to take regardless of the person's own views. (Jeremy Corbyn liked this) |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Dec 20, 2021 12:30:27 GMT
The English community in Chile have just sent me a pack of mince pies to celebrate Christmas, reaffirming their commitment to "a more inclusive, supportive and respectful society." I appreciate the gesture but they could begin by asking the UK to return the illegally occupied Chagos islands. Why did they send you the mince pies?
I'm not arguing against your right to a mince pie or two, just wondering about the targetting by the ex pat mince pie delivery network in Chile.
I am what the locals call a "Diputado", representing the *races feverishly through a list of Chilean political parties to find one that isn't insane*, um, Partido Liberal de Chile. |
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 20, 2021 12:41:26 GMT
And of course the new president comes from southern Patagonia and is indeed of Croatian descent. Not unlike a certain N. Kirchner! Whose mother was of Croat descent. Yes very curious that both Argentina and now Chile have leaders that come from the far south, a long long way from the main population and economic centres of the country. If I remember correctly Kirchner came from Rio Gallegos. Edit: I just checked Wikipedia, and that’s right. Rio Gallegos is 1600 miles from Buenos Aires. I have been there and it is a pleasant town, rather less bleak than Punta Arenas. |
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Post by yellowperil on Dec 20, 2021 12:42:03 GMT
Victory for Boric, Kast has conceded. His first move should be to set up a network of bicycles for easy hire and call them Boric Bikes. It would only be all downhill from that point. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 20, 2021 13:08:48 GMT
His first move should be to set up a network of bicycles for easy hire and call them Boric Bikes. It would only be all downhill from that point. Boric Buses! What are Chilean buses like these days? (Yes, I realise I'm probably the only person on here likely to be able to answer that question. Or to be interested in the answer.)  |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 13:12:37 GMT
It would only be all downhill from that point. Boric Buses! What are Chilean buses like these days? (Yes, I realise I'm probably the only person on here likely to be able to answer that question. Or to be interested in the answer.) Go on, tell us. You know you want to. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 20, 2021 13:16:28 GMT
Boric Buses! What are Chilean buses like these days? (Yes, I realise I'm probably the only person on here likely to be able to answer that question. Or to be interested in the answer.) Go on, tell us. You know you want to. I genuinely haven't a clue - my interest is very insular. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 13:22:10 GMT
Go on, tell us. You know you want to. I genuinely haven't a clue - my interest is very insular. Apparently it has the biggest e-bus fleet outside China. Or at least, Santiago does.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Dec 20, 2021 13:27:47 GMT
The English community in Chile have just sent me a pack of mince pies to celebrate Christmas, reaffirming their commitment to "a more inclusive, supportive and respectful society." I appreciate the gesture but they could begin by asking the UK to return the illegally occupied Chagos islands. Chileans of European descent accusing other people of stealing land must be some of that famous irony which Zionists like me don't understand. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 20, 2021 13:33:26 GMT
Not unlike a certain N. Kirchner! Whose mother was of Croat descent. Yes very curious that both Argentina and now Chile have leaders that come from the far south, a long long way from the main population and economic centres of the country. If I remember correctly Kirchner came from Rio Gallegos. Edit: I just checked Wikipedia, and that’s right. Rio Gallegos is 1600 miles from Buenos Aires. I have been there and it is a pleasant town, rather less bleak than Punta Arenas. Looking it up, and it's incredible that not a single president of Argentina had come from there before Kirchner, be they democratic, pseudo-democratic or military. In fact, it appears that there have been more presidents from the town of Chacosmus in rural BA province than from Patagonia. Also of note given this discussion: Kirchner's predecessor as Mayor of Rio Gallegos was named Jorge Cepernic. Surely another Croat name. |
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Post by cj on Dec 20, 2021 13:59:44 GMT
It would only be all downhill from that point. Boric Buses! What are Chilean buses like these days? (Yes, I realise I'm probably the only person on here likely to be able to answer that question. Or to be interested in the answer.) Curiously enough it seems on polling day the answer was non-operational (EDIT) sub-optimal
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
Boric Buses! What are Chilean buses like these days? (Yes, I realise I'm probably the only person on here likely to be able to answer that question. Or to be interested in the answer.) Curiously enough it seems on polling day the answer was non-operational
and if it was a conspiracy to stop left voters it clearly didn't work. I like this quote from a government spokesman, which has possibly lost something in translation :
“Therefore, I categorically deny those people who are trying to install a falsehood of the bearing of a cathedral,” |
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Post by cj on Dec 20, 2021 15:20:38 GMT
Curiously enough it seems on polling day the answer was non-operational
and if it was a conspiracy to stop left voters it clearly didn't work. I like this quote from a government spokesman, which has possibly lost something in translation :
“Therefore, I categorically deny those people who are trying to install a falsehood of the bearing of a cathedral,” Perhaps its me but that MRT article reads as a garbled mess, I don't know if it is translation or that it seems to be stitched together from different feeds, the director of the Electoral Service (i'm presuming 'official') expressed concern even if the minister of transport didn't, which surely is covered by the Rice-Davies defence.
Despite the exceptionality of the quote I think an honourable mention should go to the snippet of reportage:
"It is an unprecedented fact in the recent Chilean elections that a government is accused of interventionism, especially on the same election day, where Boric would run with an advantage over his container"
Perhaps the cathedral is in the container? Or the container in the cathedral...
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 20, 2021 15:26:26 GMT
and if it was a conspiracy to stop left voters it clearly didn't work. I like this quote from a government spokesman, which has possibly lost something in translation :
“Therefore, I categorically deny those people who are trying to install a falsehood of the bearing of a cathedral,” Perhaps its me but that MRT article reads as a garbled mess, I don't know if it is translation or that it seems to be stitched together from different feeds, the director of the Electoral Service (i'm presuming 'official') expressed concern even if the minister of transport didn't, which surely is covered by the Rice-Davies defence.
Despite the exceptionality of the quote I think an honourable mention should go to the snippet of reportage:
"It is an unprecedented fact in the recent Chilean elections that a government is accused of interventionism, especially on the same election day, where Boric would run with an advantage over his container"
Perhaps the cathedral is in the container? Or the container in the cathedral...
Well he's put his container back in his box.... |
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