Parliamentary By-Elections - Rumoured and Ramped

[J.G.Harston]

Nov 3, 2024 15:47:15 GMT uthacalthing said:

If the Duchies Of Lancaster and Cornwall applied for planning permission to build several tens of thousands of affordable homes on land they already own in partnership with local Housing Associations it would be a very powerful message, far better than Prince William waffling about his memory of visiting Homeless Hostels with his late mother before she shacked up with the son of a sex offender.

Do the Duchies own much near-urban land? Around here I know that Lancaster owns much of the moorland around Goathland, but it's not prime urban expansion land. Though building Adensfield New Town might get a boost in transport links.

[uthacalthing]

It owns enough land to build entire new villages.

It could build retirement villages.

It could build villages of 60% social housing in rural England and let them only to applicants who gave up a social tenancy in central London, like those with supposed mental health issues, which could be sold/rented for oodles of money to people who actually work, like bus drivers.

Now BTW, if you have supposed mental health issues, being offered a mid-terrace two-bed home in rural Norfolk in exchange for your 11th Floor flat in Newnham beats any offer of sedatives, counselling and food bank referrals that Labour can cook up

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Nov 3, 2024 17:20:04 GMT uthacalthing said:

It owns enough land to build entire new villages.

It could build retirement villages.

It could build villages of 60% social housing in rural England and let them only to applicants who gave up a social tenancy in central London, like those with supposed mental health issues, which could be sold/rented for oodles of money to people who actually work, like bus drivers.

Now BTW, if you have supposed mental health issues, being offered a mid-terrace two-bed home in rural Norfolk in exchange for your 11th Floor flat in Newnham beats any offer of sedatives, counselling and food bank referrals that Labour can cook up

Discuss.

[robert1]

Sky- Mike Amesbury MP charged with assault according to Cheshire Police.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

The charge is 'common assault', which as the name implies is the common law offence and not any of the more serious statutory offences in the 1861 Act. It's triable summarily only.

For reference, in the event of anyone being convicted of common assault, the bench will follow the Sentencing Guidelines: www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/common-assault-racially-or-religiously-aggravated-common-assault-common-assault-on-emergency-worker/

[uthacalthing]

Best hope that the victim is not an emergency worker

[gibbon]

Nov 7, 2024 14:09:47 GMT uthacalthing said:

Best hope that the victim is not an emergency worker

As the incident took place in the street in the early hours of the morning it is highly unlikey that the other party could claim that he was workin as an emergency worker at the relevant time. We have only seen edited highlights of the incident and there will probably be much more that would need to be seen. Do we know how much alcohol the other person had had and what was said immediately before the incident took place? In view of the charge this would be ehard in the magistrates court and in view of the backlog of work the courts have it could be a year before the case is heard. Only after a trial and a conviction should we thinking about a by-election.

[uthacalthing]

Nov 7, 2024 14:43:29 GMT gibbon said:

Nov 7, 2024 14:09:47 GMT uthacalthing said:

Best hope that the victim is not an emergency worker

 Do we know how much alcohol the other person had had and what was said immediately before the incident took place? 

Given how easily he went down to a very poor right jab, I think he was pished 

[batman]

shades of Ali v Liston 2, you think?

[aargauer]

Nov 7, 2024 12:41:14 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

The charge is 'common assault', which as the name implies is the common law offence and not any of the more serious statutory offences in the 1861 Act. It's triable summarily only.

For reference, in the event of anyone being convicted of common assault, the bench will follow the Sentencing Guidelines: www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/common-assault-racially-or-religiously-aggravated-common-assault-common-assault-on-emergency-worker/

So probably a low level community order sentence or even as low as a fine. 

[uthacalthing]

One of Timpson's community disposals.

Arguably appropriate in this case where public humiliation, loss of promotion prospects and fear of loss of employment have already been dispensed. Of no use whatsoever when some no-mark banjos some no-mark who deserved to be banjoed.

Something Timpson has not thought through but his brother's store managers could advise him on.

[Devil Wincarnate]

Nov 7, 2024 16:39:16 GMT aargauer said:

Nov 7, 2024 12:41:14 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

The charge is 'common assault', which as the name implies is the common law offence and not any of the more serious statutory offences in the 1861 Act. It's triable summarily only.

For reference, in the event of anyone being convicted of common assault, the bench will follow the Sentencing Guidelines: www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/common-assault-racially-or-religiously-aggravated-common-assault-common-assault-on-emergency-worker/

So probably a low level community order sentence or even as low as a fine. 

If he's really unlucky, they'll make him stay in Runcorn.

[uthacalthing]

House arrest. Very Timpsonian.

[redtony]

it is relatively common minor offence why did it take so long for the cops to charge him.
are cases of assault authorized by the CPS.
it is so minor I wouldn't have thought so

[uthacalthing]

Nov 7, 2024 22:20:43 GMT redtony said:

it is relatively common minor offence why did it take so long for the cops to charge him.

Because the system is on is knees 

[The Bishop]

Indeed, sometimes the most obvious explanation is the correct one.

[eastmidlandsright]

I suspect that the police/CPS would be pretty thorough when such case involves an MP. It is exactly the type of case where they don't want to be embarrassed in court.

[redtony]

should they treat a M.P any different to anybody else

[maxque]

Nov 11, 2024 20:26:56 GMT redtony said:

should they treat a M.P any different to anybody else

I don't know about UK, but where I live, there is an obligation to approval from a judge from anything linked to MPs and journalists, after some police force decided to launch investigations into a provincial MP and journalists who were too critical of their internal management.

[manchesterman]

Obviously wont lead to a recall but - and I know this is thinking a long way ahead- is it likely, do we think, that it will result in deselection for 2029?