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Post by stb12 on Jun 30, 2022 20:01:32 GMT
As ever I’d like to know the full context but I do think we need to calm down a bit at times with this stuff. Getting too drunk and getting a bit handsy on a night out I don’t see automatically as unforgivable behaviour everyone is human, so much of time this can easily be brushed off by the ‘victims’ or the ‘perpetrator’ can easily be sent home by other guests
Obviously it can be more than that and you may be dealing with persistent bad behaviour that went on all night that turned into threats and genuine harassment, that is far more serious. But not all these cases can be the same
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Post by andrewp on Jun 30, 2022 20:02:26 GMT
Tamworth would be one for Labour to target presumably since they held the seat from 1997-2010? Yesterday on here , there was a discussion of seats the Tories could hold in a by election at the moment. Tamworth would be on that list.
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Post by agbutler on Jun 30, 2022 20:03:40 GMT
I recall some previous allegations concerning this man? He has resigned from the same job previously for similar allegations
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 30, 2022 20:06:43 GMT
I recall some previous allegations concerning this man? Yes - there were allegations of inappropriate behaviour made in 2017. While he denied them, he did resign as assistant whip and referred himself to the party's complaints procedure (who then found he had not breached the code of conduct).
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 30, 2022 20:16:27 GMT
How many bad apples do there need to be before we conclude that the whole barrel is irretrievably rotten? Actually, I thought we were there already.
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Post by Ron Swanson on Jun 30, 2022 20:36:54 GMT
As ever I’d like to know the full context but I do think we need to calm down a bit at times with this stuff. Getting too drunk and getting a bit handsy on a night out I don’t see automatically as unforgivable behaviour everyone is human, so much of time this can easily be brushed off by the ‘victims’ or the ‘perpetrator’ can easily be sent home by other guests Obviously it can be more than that and you may be dealing with persistent bad behaviour that went on all night that turned into threats and genuine harassment, that is far more serious. But not all these cases can be the same He’s a member of the government… or was. If he can’t control his behaviour when he’s had a few he either needs to stay off the pop in public or get a job doing something else. Really, he ought to do the decent thing and resign from Parliament.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 30, 2022 20:41:39 GMT
As ever I’d like to know the full context but I do think we need to calm down a bit at times with this stuff. Getting too drunk and getting a bit handsy on a night out I don’t see automatically as unforgivable behaviour everyone is human, so much of time this can easily be brushed off by the ‘victims’ or the ‘perpetrator’ can easily be sent home by other guests Obviously it can be more than that and you may be dealing with persistent bad behaviour that went on all night that turned into threats and genuine harassment, that is far more serious. But not all these cases can be the same He’s a member of the government… or was. If he can’t control his behaviour when he’s had a few he either needs to stay off the pop in public or get a job doing something else. Really, he ought to do the decent thing and resign from Parliament. He’s resigning from government, does he necessarily need to resign as a backbencher as well?
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jun 30, 2022 21:01:56 GMT
How many bad apples do there need to be before we conclude that the whole barrel is irretrievably rotten? Actually, I thought we were there already. I mean, it was a rhetorical question, so yeah.
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Post by ricmk on Jun 30, 2022 21:14:58 GMT
He’s a member of the government… or was. If he can’t control his behaviour when he’s had a few he either needs to stay off the pop in public or get a job doing something else. Really, he ought to do the decent thing and resign from Parliament. He’s resigning from government, does he necessarily need to resign as a backbencher as well? I always think ministers have an advantage if they are caught doing something scandalous. Because they can step down as a minister they are seen as having resigned even though they stay on as an MP. Compare Matt Hancock and Chris Pincher to Neil Parish or Owen Paterson. There was no real pressure for the first to stand down as MPs when they had to ‘resign’ but the latter two could only ‘resign’ by stepping down as MPs I’d say it’s double standards but in truth under Boris Johnson it’s very low standards all round.
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Post by andrewp on Jun 30, 2022 21:20:46 GMT
He’s resigning from government, does he necessarily need to resign as a backbencher as well? I always think ministers have an advantage if they are caught doing something scandalous. Because they can step down as a minister they are seen as having resigned even though they stay on as an MP. Compare Matt Hancock and Chris Pincher to Neil Parish or Owen Paterson. There was no real pressure for the first to stand down as MPs when they had to ‘resign’ but the latter two could only ‘resign’ by stepping down as MPs I’d say it’s double standards but in truth under Boris Johnson it’s very low standards all round. Pincher’s ‘offence’ would be worse than Parish’s. But then I don’t think Parish needed to resign.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jun 30, 2022 21:44:23 GMT
I always think ministers have an advantage if they are caught doing something scandalous. Because they can step down as a minister they are seen as having resigned even though they stay on as an MP. Compare Matt Hancock and Chris Pincher to Neil Parish or Owen Paterson. There was no real pressure for the first to stand down as MPs when they had to ‘resign’ but the latter two could only ‘resign’ by stepping down as MPs I’d say it’s double standards but in truth under Boris Johnson it’s very low standards all round. Pincher’s ‘offence’ would be worse than Parish’s. But then I don’t think Parish needed to resign. Both of them deserved the punishment of being publicly humiliated, never taken seriously again and then quietly deselected before the next GE. Neither of them deserve(d) to resign from Parliament now.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jul 1, 2022 16:07:45 GMT
How long before there’s a u-turn and he loses the whip? Answer: About 20 hours.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jul 1, 2022 16:13:32 GMT
Interesting interview with Neil Parish (predating this latest news):
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Post by kevinf on Jul 1, 2022 16:13:55 GMT
How long before there’s a u-turn and he loses the whip? Answer: About 20 hours. - well spotted
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Post by aargauer on Jul 1, 2022 16:20:03 GMT
Pincher’s ‘offence’ would be worse than Parish’s. But then I don’t think Parish needed to resign. Both of them deserved the punishment of being publicly humiliated, never taken seriously again and then quietly deselected before the next GE. Neither of them deserve(d) to resign from Parliament now. "Groping" offences can vary quite a lot in severity. I once had my bottom squeezed by an older woman in a bar whilst making my order - not something that really upset me. If it's a young female employee being aggressively touched by a male boss in a work setting for example that's hugely more substantial.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 1, 2022 18:01:49 GMT
If Keir Starmer has some really top-class psephologists working for him they'll know that a by-election in Tamworth isn't necessarily a good idea and that it's probably better to let the whole thing run for as long as possible without actually getting Pincher to resign from the Commons. You don't get to choose where by elections come up and if he does go it'll be external pressure over which the opposition (and government) have little control.
If it looks like a difficult by election that's just tough for the opposition parties , but personally I think he'll hold on (memo to self, re-phrase this in the later editions).
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Post by Wisconsin on Jul 1, 2022 18:23:13 GMT
If Keir Starmer has some really top-class psephologists working for him they'll know that a by-election in Tamworth isn't necessarily a good idea and that it's probably better to let the whole thing run for as long as possible without actually getting Pincher to resign from the Commons. Agreed. It will be a balancing act though - it might be impossible to make the most hay out of this deviant drunkard without ramping up the pressure.
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Post by kevinf on Jul 1, 2022 21:53:53 GMT
Times front page has more on Pincher…I think we’re close to by-election time again.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 1, 2022 21:59:29 GMT
Times front page has more on Pincher…I think we’re close to by-election time again. Worse than getting drunk and groping?
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Post by maxque on Jul 1, 2022 22:06:37 GMT
Times front page has more on Pincher…I think we’re close to by-election time again. Worse than getting drunk and groping? Seems we have another plaintiff about another similar event (and we have a Conservative MP as a witness for that new one).
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