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Post by rcronald on Oct 26, 2021 8:33:01 GMT
Can we kick the out of the Commonwealth?
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Post by rcronald on Oct 26, 2021 9:06:43 GMT
No and they can't kick us out either But the first Booglian government will give them a significantly inferior deal as regards Freedom of Movement than it offers Jamaica Why do we even give freedom of movement to countries that dumped the crown? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 26, 2021 9:11:53 GMT
No and they can't kick us out either But the first Booglian government will give them a significantly inferior deal as regards Freedom of Movement than it offers Jamaica Freedom of movement for Jamaica? Are you insane? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 26, 2021 9:31:39 GMT
I am drawing on the wisdom of Enoch Powell, who imported nurses from Jamaica As you well know One of my vanishingly small number of political heroes. But he did make the rare occasional mistake. I am sure that he himself realized that this was one of the worst if not the absolute worst decision of his entire life. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 26, 2021 9:39:48 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side
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Post by rcronald on Oct 26, 2021 9:44:50 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side I wouldn’t call it anger but frustration over the fact that the UK continues to be generous with these countries even after they decide to completely split from us. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 26, 2021 9:52:12 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side I can assure you not all of us of a blue persuasion are angry. Respect for self-determination and their continuing status as part of a Commonwealth family of nations is more than enough to leave me at peace with their decision. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 26, 2021 9:59:23 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side I can assure you not all of us of a blue persuasion are angry. Respect for self-determination and their continuing status as part of a Commonwealth family of nations is more than enough to leave me at peace with their decision. The Empire was a glorious thing of beauty. The Commonwealth (as in the Civil War) is a drab squib of nonentity. |
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Post by ilerda on Oct 26, 2021 10:06:42 GMT
I can assure you not all of us of a blue persuasion are angry. Respect for self-determination and their continuing status as part of a Commonwealth family of nations is more than enough to leave me at peace with their decision. The Empire was a glorious thing of beauty. The Commonwealth (as in the Civil War) is a drab squib of nonentity. Be that as it may, the Empire is gone. The Commonwealth as a concept is good, however in practice I am inclined to agree with your definition. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 26, 2021 10:10:35 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side I can assure you not all of us of a blue persuasion are angry. There are many sensible and moderate Conservatives on this forum, but alas like your party and parliamentary party several of the less moderate ones have an increasingly loud voice these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 10:15:02 GMT
Of course some might argue that the fact that it gets so far up the noses of such unpleasant people is a bloody good reason for doing it
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 26, 2021 13:11:46 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side If the people of Barbados wish to make a sovereign decision to become a republic, then good luck to them. I genuinely hope it works out and they find what they felt they lacked as a monarchy. Personally, I only really care about opposing republicanism when it rears its ugly head within the three mainland nations. Barbadians have their own free will. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 26, 2021 13:19:53 GMT
No and they can't kick us out either But the first Booglian government will give them a significantly inferior deal as regards Freedom of Movement than it offers Jamaica Jamaica, a global cocaine and pot hub, has a significant organised crime problem. Why would you want to import that? |
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Post by cibwr on Oct 26, 2021 17:01:40 GMT
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Post by ibfc on Oct 26, 2021 17:38:03 GMT
Having a President is never a good decision. But good luck I guess to them.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 26, 2021 20:19:13 GMT
Having a President is never a good decision. But good luck I guess to them. Who would you want as Indian monarch, were a monarchy an option? |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 26, 2021 21:55:04 GMT
What a shame Barbados didn't take the opportunity not to just abolish the whole head of state nonsense. I'm not getting the point of transplanting a heredity ceremonial monarch for an elected one...
They've also enshrined that in their new law with them not subscribing to proper republican popular sovereignty, instead ascribing allegiance and ultimate power to The State.
Maybe the next one will get it right...
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Post by ilerda on Oct 26, 2021 22:08:51 GMT
Their new system for choosing future presidents does seem odd and rather likely to lead to difficulties further down the line. Consensus is all well and good when it exists (and when there is an obvious candidate), but there are no guarantees it will last.
Edit: I would also imagine it's quite rare for a Leader of the Opposition to be given constitutional powers in this way, given the lack of official legal status it tends to hold in Westminster-style democracies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 22:26:16 GMT
I saw this tweet the other day and agreed with the response that no one is angry. Then I came here and of course it’s a select group of frequent posters from the blue/light blue/other blue side I suspect it's more a case that most people in this country aren't aware of it. As for some peoples' reactions here, there seems to be the mistaken impression that we've 'let them go' with this constitutional change. This isn't the Falklands or Gibraltar - or Hong Kong in 1997. It's been an independent country for over 50 years; and frankly most of the other Commonwealth monarchies are going to go the same way. C'est la vie. Admittedly I wouldn't be quite so blasé about Canada (for example) dropping the monarchy as it's a more comparable country to our own and therefore may stir republican talk and sentiment here, which is what I'd be concerned about. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 26, 2021 23:21:33 GMT
What a shame Barbados didn't take the opportunity not to just abolish the whole head of state nonsense. I'm not getting the point of transplanting a heredity ceremonial monarch for an elected one... Who represents the state when you don't have a head of state? |
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