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Post by yellowperil on Oct 20, 2021 18:31:19 GMT
Well, that might be the way to get reasonable non-Tory voters to turn out and vote for the Conservative candidate rather than abstain. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 20, 2021 18:31:29 GMT
The British Freedom Party is not registered (there was a previous body of the same name deregistered nearly a decade ago) and nor is it listed amongst current applications.
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Post by neilm on Oct 20, 2021 19:51:56 GMT
Not in favour of it, but it could easily I suppose if the party name and emblem are unclaimed by the national party by a certain amount of days before the poll, then the first person to claim them would be able to stand in its name. So (say) -23 days for the first refusal, and then -20 days for someone else to take the ticket. You'd get some proper nutters, but the parties would be guaranteed to be represented. Perhaps this treatment should only be for parties with MPs. It would crimp the ability of parties to stand down in each others favour. How would you prevent any random nut job getting a nomination for a party they don't even agree with? At the last election your proposal would have protected the Brexit Party but what would have stopped people who wanted to discredit the Greens taking nominations where they otherwise have no candidate (yes I know the antics of certain leading figures mean they don't need it)? Or SNP candidates in England? And so forth... Is any of this a problem? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 20, 2021 20:15:23 GMT
Not in favour of it, but it could easily I suppose if the party name and emblem are unclaimed by the national party by a certain amount of days before the poll, then the first person to claim them would be able to stand in its name. So (say) -23 days for the first refusal, and then -20 days for someone else to take the ticket. You'd get some proper nutters, but the parties would be guaranteed to be represented. Perhaps this treatment should only be for parties with MPs. It would crimp the ability of parties to stand down in each others favour. How would you prevent any random nut job getting a nomination for a party they don't even agree with? At the last election your proposal would have protected the Brexit Party but what would have stopped people who wanted to discredit the Greens taking nominations where they otherwise have no candidate (yes I know the antics of certain leading figures mean they don't need it)? Or SNP candidates in England? And so forth... I would not attempt to. As a political party it is up to them to put up or shut up. If you don't want a 'nut job' put up a candidate. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 20, 2021 20:28:12 GMT
I don't know why you find that 'shocking'? It was entirely expected that this outfit would be among the fringe parties contesting this by-election Yet the Lib Dems aren’t standing. Or at least have pledged not to, for what that’s worth. |
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Post by peterl on Oct 20, 2021 20:58:56 GMT
Well, that might be the way to get reasonable non-Tory voters to turn out and vote for the Conservative candidate rather than abstain. If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. |
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Post by right on Oct 20, 2021 21:05:05 GMT
Well, that might be the way to get reasonable non-Tory voters to turn out and vote for the Conservative candidate rather than abstain. I doubt many nom Tory voters believe a fringe candidate has any chance of winning We're not in France |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 20, 2021 21:07:37 GMT
Well, that might be the way to get reasonable non-Tory voters to turn out and vote for the Conservative candidate rather than abstain. If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. I believe you, and I'm not too far off that position myself- I have certainly never voted Conservative in my life, under any circumstances- but I can imagine that not everybody would feel the same. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 20, 2021 22:02:25 GMT
Frasen was last seen in Nicola Sturgeon's seat in Glasgow, looks like shes trying a tour of the whole country
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 20, 2021 22:04:20 GMT
If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. I believe you, and I'm not too far off that position myself- I have certainly never voted Conservative in my life, under any circumstances- but I can imagine that not everybody would feel the same. Errmm! Obviously not as we have a majority of over 80 and you have .......? Now what was it? LOL!!! |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 20, 2021 22:07:08 GMT
The British Freedom Party is not registered (there was a previous body of the same name deregistered nearly a decade ago) and nor is it listed amongst current applications. She stood as an independent in Glasgow Southside in May, so could well do the same here... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 23:23:47 GMT
So because of other parties standing down, the far-right get an open field to spout rubbish, lower the tone and turn the election into a farce.
It happened in Batley, and in both cases I still fail to see how it's a fitting tribute or legacy for the late MP
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 20, 2021 23:26:10 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 20, 2021 23:28:20 GMT
Well, that might be the way to get reasonable non-Tory voters to turn out and vote for the Conservative candidate rather than abstain. If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. Eating ballot papers gives the Returning Officer a problem in the tally department! |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 21, 2021 3:27:54 GMT
If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. Eating ballot papers gives the Returning Officer a problem in the tally department! Do they have to wait for the ballot paper to return? |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 21, 2021 3:37:35 GMT
I believe you, and I'm not too far off that position myself- I have certainly never voted Conservative in my life, under any circumstances- but I can imagine that not everybody would feel the same. Errmm! Obviously not as we have a majority of over 80 and you have .......? Now what was it? LOL!!! I think you miss the context of that remark. I was talking about a particular smallish subset of the electorate reluctant ever to vote Tory, "everybody" referring to those in that subset. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 21, 2021 7:12:50 GMT
If I was faced with the situation of a not seriously contested election, I would sooner eat my ballot paper than vote Conservative and I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels that way. Eating ballot papers gives the Returning Officer a problem in the tally department! The eventual results will be alimentary my dear Watson! |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 21, 2021 7:30:48 GMT
Errmm! Obviously not as we have a majority of over 80 and you have .......? Now what was it? LOL!!! I think you miss the context of that remark. I was talking about a particular smallish subset of the electorate reluctant ever to vote Tory, "everybody" referring to those in that subset. And I was making a greater and far more important point that is an absolute slam-dunk. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 21, 2021 8:39:07 GMT
Eating ballot papers gives the Returning Officer a problem in the tally department! Do they have to wait for the ballot paper to return? Or until someone loses their deposit? |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 21, 2021 12:09:14 GMT
So because of other parties standing down, the far-right get an open field to spout rubbish, lower the tone and turn the election into a farce. It happened in Batley, and in both cases I still fail to see how it's a fitting tribute or legacy for the late MP There's an argument the 2016 B&S byelection did less harm to the local fabric than the more recent fiercely contested one may have done. Brabin's crushing margin was the main take from it, rather than the not terribly surprising revelation that about 10% of voters are amenable to hardcore racist politics - something that was true at the height of 1990s Blairite optimism. I expect this one to be similar, a huge win for the Tory on a low turnout. |
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