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Post by greenhert on Oct 17, 2021 17:07:12 GMT
Also Charles Frederick White won West Derbyshire as an Independent Labour candidate with the backing of the Common Wealth mob. He had been the official Labour candidate in the previous (1938) by-election and was re-elected as Labour in 1945 And his father (also Charles White) had been Liberal MP for the seat (1918-23).
There was a third candidate at the 1944 by election, and in 1945, Robert Goodall, a farm baliff, who stood as an "Agriculturalist". Goodall promised to send out no election address or leaflets and to make only one speech, which he made in the market place at Ashbourne. He was disowned by the NFU.
The said Robert Goodall became a perennial candidate in West Derbyshire subsequently, never doing well in any event. |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 17, 2021 17:31:56 GMT
Reform UK will also not be contesting this by-election:
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 17, 2021 17:36:53 GMT
I wonder if the letters pages of The Times were full of such rot during World War 2 when by-elections, even of members who had simply died of natural causes, were uncontested by the other mainstream parties? Hence the emergence of the Commonwealth party which not only contested by-elections but actually won some. I refer the honorable gentleman to a discussion held earlier in this thread. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 17, 2021 18:02:49 GMT
For the record here's the local Green Party statement:
And RefUK's:
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Post by rcronald on Oct 17, 2021 18:05:45 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. The former is the reason why I am personally opposed to standing in by elections after political assassinations. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 17, 2021 18:11:38 GMT
Are we treating this as an assassination now?
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Post by johnloony on Oct 17, 2021 18:13:32 GMT
Are we treating this as an assassination now? Of course. It’s a murder of a famous person for political reasons. |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Oct 17, 2021 18:23:13 GMT
Are we treating this as an assassination now? Assassination : to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons. What else is it? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 17, 2021 19:10:38 GMT
It's presumed the motive is political, but it's early in the investigation.
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 17, 2021 19:24:45 GMT
It is an attack on democracy by the establishment that this will be largely uncontested. I am disappointed with both Labour and the Greens. But not the Lib Dems? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 17, 2021 19:29:54 GMT
It is an attack on democracy by the establishment that this will be largely uncontested. I am disappointed with both Labour and the Greens. But not the Lib Dems? I assumed neilm was in a continuous condition of disappointment when it came to the Liberal Democrats.  |
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Post by neilm on Oct 17, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
It is an attack on democracy by the establishment that this will be largely uncontested. I am disappointed with both Labour and the Greens. But not the Lib Dems? I wondered if someone would spot that! As gwynthegriff the says, I am permanently disappointed by the Lib Dems 🤣 |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 17, 2021 19:36:07 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. Perhaps times have changed but Eastbourne 1990 suggests otherwise. |
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Post by chorleyboy on Oct 17, 2021 19:51:07 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. Perhaps times have changed but Eastbourne 1990 suggests otherwise. Ironically Belotti did become a hate figure- mainly because of his involvement with Brighton and Hove Albion. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 17, 2021 19:55:00 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. Perhaps times have changed but Eastbourne 1990 suggests otherwise. Though to be fair, David Bellotti made his own reputation as CEO of Brighton and Hove Albion during a "difficult" time for that club. |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 17, 2021 20:16:40 GMT
I wonder when the writ for this by-election, and the Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election, will be moved?
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Post by andrewp on Oct 17, 2021 20:23:00 GMT
I wonder when the writ for this by-election, and the Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election, will be moved? You’d think they may well be on the same day. |
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Post by samdwebber on Oct 17, 2021 20:33:45 GMT
If the Old Bexley and Sidcup writ wont be moved until after James Brokenshire's funeral I understand that takes place this week on Thursday 21st October.
Perhaps both writs will be moved once Sir David's funeral has also taken place?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 17, 2021 20:50:27 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. Perhaps times have changed but Eastbourne 1990 suggests otherwise. Times have changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 20:56:59 GMT
Two very strong argument I've heard made by Green Party members in favour of the not-stand decision: - Doing otherwise would help to send a message that assassination is recognised as a legitimate way to remove representation of a party. - The candidate would become a public hate figure. I'm not sure I agree on the first point. The second point, sadly, is almost certainly true although I wish it weren't |
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