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Post by OWL on Aug 29, 2021 16:31:57 GMT
Is there a continuity Front National (i.e. those not liking the change of name to "Rassemblement National") in France? I can't find one in Wikipedia or whatever. No there is none.
It's not a question of name, but of politics. Some from the FN might follow Eric Zemmour in his candidacy, including, maybe (but not probably) the niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen.
What about Philippot's group? It's more a splinter group than a continuity FN admittedly. |
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Post by relique on Aug 29, 2021 16:53:42 GMT
No there is none.
It's not a question of name, but of politics. Some from the FN might follow Eric Zemmour in his candidacy, including, maybe (but not probably) the niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen.
What about Philippot's group? It's more a splinter group than a continuity FN admittedly. Indeed it's a split that are not "long time activists not ok with the change" but rather people who came WHEN there was change (with a more old left wing attitude towards the working class ) but were disappointed when Marine Le Pen failed completely in 2017 and blamed these changes (anti-EU or euro stances) for what was a complete individual lack of preparation and work for the debate with Macron. Philippot nowadays is trying to tag himself on the anti-vaccine and anti-sanitary pass movement because his electoral results have been abysmal |
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Post by john07 on Aug 30, 2021 21:11:14 GMT
Is there a continuity Front National (i.e. those not liking the change of name to "Rassemblement National") in France? I can't find one in Wikipedia or whatever. The Rassamblement du Peuple Française was Charles de Gaulle’s Party from 1947 to 1955. I suspect that Le Pen is still trying to edge her party away from their neo-fascist origins and to latch on to certain of the Gaullist (Bonapartist?) traditions. The name Rassamblement suggests something more than a Party as a reassembly of the French people. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 30, 2021 21:13:22 GMT
I'd love to see Manu Macron booted out
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 30, 2021 21:16:22 GMT
I'd love to see Manu Macron booted out Me too, but replaced by Le Pen? Surely there must be someone better than those two? |
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Post by greyfriar on Aug 30, 2021 21:35:59 GMT
I'd love to see Manu Macron booted out Me too, but replaced by Le Pen? Surely there must be someone better than those two? It’s a shame they can’t both lose… |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 30, 2021 22:55:53 GMT
Me too, but replaced by Le Pen? Surely there must be someone better than those two? It’s a shame they can’t both lose… Swap with Canada. Canada gets Manure, France gets Bieber. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 31, 2021 6:47:40 GMT
It’s a shame they can’t both lose… Swap with Canada. Canada gets Manure, France gets Bieber. You want Manchester United to play all their games in Canada? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 31, 2021 19:31:36 GMT
Is there a continuity Front National (i.e. those not liking the change of name to "Rassemblement National") in France? I can't find one in Wikipedia or whatever. The Rassamblement du Peuple Française was Charles de Gaulle’s Party from 1947 to 1955. I suspect that Le Pen is still trying to edge her party away from their neo-fascist origins and to latch on to certain of the Gaullist (Bonapartist?) traditions. The name Rassamblement suggests something more than a Party as a reassembly of the French people. The Rassemblement pour la République was also one of the various predecessors of the current LR. Basically a Chirac vehicle really, although not as overtly as when it ended up as the UMP. She's definitely trying to get away from not just the neo-fascist current of the old FN, but also the ultra-Catholic current. There's a lot of Gaullist rhetoric going on, right down to the suspiciously familiar slogan "Europe des nations". |
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Post by OWL on Aug 31, 2021 20:16:47 GMT
"Gaullism" is a fairly vague term which nearly everyone in France likes to pay homage to. French politics is to a large extent defined by local and familial history; for this reason a Le Pen cannot really be a Gaullist. Jean-Marie made his name as the campaign manager for Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour in 1965, the candidate of the pieds noirs and Algeria loyalists. Tixier was a collaborationist, represented as a lawyer Raoul Salan, one of the generals who tried to launch a coup against de Gaulle in 1961, and Jean Bastien-Thiry, another Algeria fanatic, who attempted to execute de Gaulle. Tixier and his far-right band so hated de Gaulle that they voted for socialist Mitterrand in the runoff.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 31, 2021 21:00:02 GMT
"Gaullism" is a fairly vague term which nearly everyone in France likes to pay homage to. French politics is to a large extent defined by local and familial history; for this reason a Le Pen cannot really be a Gaullist. Jean-Marie made his name as the campaign manager for Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour in 1965, the candidate of the pieds noirs and Algeria loyalists. Tixier was a collaborationist, represented as a lawyer Raoul Salan, one of the generals who tried to launch a coup against de Gaulle in 1961, and Jean Bastien-Thiry, another Algeria fanatic, who attempted to execute de Gaulle. Tixier and his far-right band so hated de Gaulle that they voted for socialist Mitterrand in the runoff. Although Tixier did then call for people to vote for Pompidou the next time out,probably because his acolytes didn't want to vote for the Left. He was a fascinating bloke-the story of his defence of Céline in court is very interesting. And then he stole Pétain's coffin! |
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Post by OWL on Aug 31, 2021 21:21:05 GMT
"Gaullism" is a fairly vague term which nearly everyone in France likes to pay homage to. French politics is to a large extent defined by local and familial history; for this reason a Le Pen cannot really be a Gaullist. Jean-Marie made his name as the campaign manager for Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour in 1965, the candidate of the pieds noirs and Algeria loyalists. Tixier was a collaborationist, represented as a lawyer Raoul Salan, one of the generals who tried to launch a coup against de Gaulle in 1961, and Jean Bastien-Thiry, another Algeria fanatic, who attempted to execute de Gaulle. Tixier and his far-right band so hated de Gaulle that they voted for socialist Mitterrand in the runoff. Although Tixier did then call for people to vote for Pompidou the next time out,probably because his acolytes didn't want to vote for the Left. He was a fascinating bloke-the story of his defence of Céline in court is very interesting. And then he stole Pétain's coffin! Yes, and he supported de Gaulle in 1968 to quell the students and so on. I think that Le Pen actually left Tixier because he felt he had gone soft. |
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Post by john07 on Sept 1, 2021 14:50:45 GMT
All the above arguments are based on the assumption that Marine Le Pen is synonymous with Jean-Marie Le Pen.
Le Pen Senior started out as a Poujadist Deputy. Even Poujade fell out with Le Pen and apparently hated him. Poujarde did support Mitterrand twice against Giscard.
I just get the feeling that Marine Le Pen is trying to detoxify the FN. This had led to the expulsion of her father and the name change in an attempt to make then electable. As things stand Marine Le Pen would struggle against anyone in a presidential run-off. However, with an opponent like Jean-Luc Mélenchon in the run-off, it would be harder to judge.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 1, 2021 15:36:40 GMT
Oh, she's 100 per cent trying to "de-diabolise" the party. It wouldn't shock me if the falling out between the old man and MLP is a piece of theatre to allow her to reposition the party.
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Post by independentukip on Sept 2, 2021 0:46:04 GMT
You can enter a restaurant without validating a pass, if you're a postal worker coming outside the opening hours to give out a package.
Sorry to return to this off topic subject but I'd like to be clear & enabled to counter any misinformation, particularly as Scotland are introducing this wickedness with England shortly to follow. What is the relevance to the opening hours if the postal worker is not entering the restaurant to have a drink or meal? Is it the case that if a restaurant is open early in the morning until late at night delivery persons, including postal workers, are not permitted to make their delivery within the premises unless they have the Pass Sanitaire? |
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Post by relique on Sept 2, 2021 7:07:33 GMT
You can enter a restaurant without validating a pass, if you're a postal worker coming outside the opening hours to give out a package.
Sorry to return to this off topic subject but I'd like to be clear & enabled to counter any misinformation, particularly as Scotland are introducing this wickedness with England shortly to follow. What is the relevance to the opening hours if the postal worker is not entering the restaurant to have a drink or meal? Is it the case that if a restaurant is open early in the morning until late at night delivery persons, including postal workers, are not permitted to make their delivery within the premises unless they have the Pass Sanitaire? Oh! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was using the hours as emphasis to show it wasn't the location that was regulated but only the activity within it (you can only serve drinks and meals to people with the pass). |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Sept 3, 2021 10:10:28 GMT
Maybe they need to get Marion Le Pen in charge 😍
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Post by connor on Sept 8, 2021 11:39:39 GMT
Does anyone think the Republicans list of candidates looks weak?
Perhaps Xavier should just go representing them and make it more of a challenge?
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Post by cogload on Sept 9, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
You what?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 9, 2021 16:13:15 GMT
If you right click on the Tweet you get the option to translate it into English |
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