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Post by YL on Sept 17, 2021 11:30:59 GMT
That is a very strong Lib Dem performance. I suspect it’s a combination of a strong local machine in Sheffield that was able to concentrate entirely on one ward, and an element of community identity politics too with a BAME candidate. The Lib Dems have come close in Burngreave in the past, which is quite similar to the Firth Park half of Firth Park ward. The Liberals held Brightside in the early 1970s, and the LDs have won Brightside ward (1993) and Owlerton ward (1998) in the past. I think your first "Brightside" should be "Burngreave". The Lib Dem win in Owlerton in 1998 was very close and I would guess the more Hillsborough-aligned parts of the ward were better for the party. The Lib Dem councillor later defected to the continuity Liberals. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 11:33:45 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh if you really mean "blame". As I understand it, the Greens who started ahead of us after all, ran a totally paper candidacy and therefore hung on only to their core vote, the ones who were not really persuadable to vote Lib Dem. Had there been a Green withdrawal, that vote might have gone four ways (Lab/Con/LD/NV) in fairly unpredictable proportions - I might guess NV might have taken the largest share. Of course, if you mean that next time we will have an excellent bar chart, I'm totally with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding here - the "blame" I'm thinking of is for their share in the running of the unpopular council comes the next round of elections, not for this single by-election. My problem with the Liberal Democrats under Paul Scriven was that they seemed to blame Labour for everything even when they, the Liberal Democrats, were running the authority themselves. At least we've had 10 years since then and most of the local Liberal Democrat leaders from then have gone, which makes them votable for now. Labour is still suffering from Julie Dore being leader for too long. Not because the council has been particularly badly run, apart from the trees fiasco and that was her and her mini cabinet. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 11:44:18 GMT
With the right candidate. I think Labour parachuting in their candidate, after failing in Walkley, probably didn't help their cause. The candidate was important , sure, but the main thing was probably the team assembled for him. It confirms my long held belief that you can make a significant impact (not necessarily win) just about anywhere if you really have the determination and the self-belief to go for it. And you then ferret out the weaknesses of the opposition- in this case probably the limitations of a parachuted-in candidate and a creaky organisation which hadn't really had to put in a fight for a long time.I am one of those predictors who apparently"didn't give us a chance" - actually I seriously considered all possibilities and at one point having seen our tweets had a draft which had the LDs on 30% (still would have been an underestimate!)but then chickened out on it because I could find no neutral/opposition support out there for that sort of prediction, and I confess to being finally influenced by the other predictors who had already gone before me- not the first time that's happened, I would probably be better to learn not to look! After all our resident Sheffield predictor had us on 3.6%! Yes, but he's know to be pretty useless.............. at predicting that is. I totally unestimated the groundwork effect, silly really, should know by now that by elections in Sheffield tend to favour the Liberal Democrats not the tories. |
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Toylyyev
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Post by Toylyyev on Sept 17, 2021 11:53:15 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 17, 2021 12:18:03 GMT
I see Charlton 69 is at it again. He says we are all glad to report that the lib dems didn't win in Sheffield. Well I am not. So you are wrong there. In actual fact this was an amazing result for the Liberal Democrats. To come from where they did to just narrowly lose is quite a result. I get the impression that Charlton 69 is just a bitter and twisted old cynic who cannot bring himself to congratulate an obviously we'll organised campaign. Shame really as we could all do with less bitterness in the world of politics. Correct he is a bitter and twisted south London cynic who can never 'bring' himself to congratulate any LD on anything at all. They stood, they campaigned hard, and they lost. It was a defeat. Nothing to congratulate, even if he had a mind to, which I sincerely doubt? By the by. Who is he? I don't know him. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 17, 2021 12:28:07 GMT
A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. Double clotted too. Still, it's good to know from C43 that Phil Mickelson (missed cut) did just as well at the Open as Jordan Speith (2nd) in that neither of them won. Oh dear! Do you have nothing better to do? |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 17, 2021 12:28:42 GMT
A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. My remark was partly tounge in cheek as yellowperil admits he's hardly ever been to Sheffield. I was just interpreting what you were saying to the unwashed masses.  |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 17, 2021 12:30:12 GMT
I see Charlton 69 is at it again. He says we are all glad to report that the lib dems didn't win in Sheffield. Well I am not. So you are wrong there. In actual fact this was an amazing result for the Liberal Democrats. To come from where they did to just narrowly lose is quite a result. I get the impression that Charlton 69 is just a bitter and twisted old cynic who cannot bring himself to congratulate an obviously we'll organised campaign. Shame really as we could all do with less bitterness in the world of politics. I'm not a big user of the block function - I think I only have Captain Footnote (not his real name) blocked, and from what I can see he's not been around for a while. But I am considering upping that to two. Go on. Spoil yourself and just do it. You know you want to. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 17, 2021 12:43:27 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 17, 2021 12:53:38 GMT
Nice one, I like it. Now we know the real result, can we redo the prediction competition markings? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 17, 2021 13:01:57 GMT
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 17, 2021 13:03:40 GMT
My remark was partly tounge in cheek as yellowperil admits he's hardly ever been to Sheffield. I was just interpreting what you were saying to the unwashed masses. Get your hands off my filthy neck!  |
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Post by matureleft on Sept 17, 2021 14:00:33 GMT
From your later post Con and LibDem are the wrong way round. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 17, 2021 14:03:36 GMT
is he likely to bump into many Blades inclined voters in that ward? More Owls than Blades there I would think Well that's my point - would he bump into blades in any numbers?
And of course, way, way, back in time Wednesday being the older team their first nickname was .....The Blades.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 14:07:02 GMT
More Owls than Blades there I would think Well that's my point - would he bump into blades in any numbers?
And of course, way, way, back in time Wednesday being the older team their first nickname was .....The Blades.
Correct, before they moved to Owlerton (Hillsborough). Back then United were known as the Cutlers. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 17, 2021 14:34:06 GMT
From your later post Con and LibDem are the wrong way round. Britain Elects still haven’t corrected their Tweet despite numerous people pointing out the error. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 17, 2021 14:51:06 GMT
From your later post Con and LibDem are the wrong way round. Britain Elects still haven’t corrected their Tweet despite numerous people pointing out the error. well their result is much funnier and more interesting. I say reality can go correct itself. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 17, 2021 15:52:45 GMT
Well that's my point - would he bump into blades in any numbers?
And of course, way, way, back in time Wednesday being the older team their first nickname was .....The Blades.
Correct, before they moved to Owlerton (Hillsborough). Back then United were known as the Cutlers. I note the story that the Owls nickname came from someone who bought them an owl as a mascot.
Previously someone had given them a monkey....  |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 16:11:01 GMT
Correct, before they moved to Owlerton (Hillsborough). Back then United were known as the Cutlers. I note the story that the Owls nickname came from someone who bought them an owl as a mascot.
Previously someone had given them a monkey.... Don't think it was an ancestor of any of the Arctic Monkeys. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 17, 2021 16:17:43 GMT
I note the story that the Owls nickname came from someone who bought them an owl as a mascot.
Previously someone had given them a monkey.... Don't think it was an ancestor of any of the Arctic Monkeys. "I bet you look good in the home end" |
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