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Post by carlton43 on Sept 17, 2021 9:12:18 GMT
Even so, that strikes me as a very good, and Not unsurprising result. We had come last every time since 2016, and even 5th behind an indy last time. If you look at the Sheffield thread from 2021, much of the talk after the election was on whether, following relatively disappointing results, the Lib Dems were on the way down in Sheffield, and the Tories particularly on the way up. And this, from the large UKIP vote a few years ago, was the sort of seat where from a distance, it might have been expected that the Tories would be the challengers. Certainly none of our "predictors" gave us any chance - so, taking the point that you can throw a full campaign into a by-election in a way that you can't in a full election, it does seem both a very good result for us and a surprising one Yeahh! Yeahh!! Yeahh!!! But you lost and a loss is just a loss. |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 17, 2021 9:15:49 GMT
Sheffield is certainly looking up since carlton43 moved there. Yes, it's good, it continues to prove that we have the cream of human population in God's own city. A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 17, 2021 9:30:55 GMT
Yes, it's good, it continues to prove that we have the cream of human population in God's own city. A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. An over-egged pudding. By the way! You failed to win the seat in Sheffield we are all glad to report. Well done Labour. |
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Post by raskolnikov on Sept 17, 2021 9:57:46 GMT
I see Charlton 69 is at it again. He says we are all glad to report that the lib dems didn't win in Sheffield. Well I am not. So you are wrong there. In actual fact this was an amazing result for the Liberal Democrats. To come from where they did to just narrowly lose is quite a result. I get the impression that Charlton 69 is just a bitter and twisted old cynic who cannot bring himself to congratulate an obviously we'll organised campaign. Shame really as we could all do with less bitterness in the world of politics.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 17, 2021 10:00:13 GMT
She is the main reason why the Lib Dem Group on Barnsley Council has grown from zero in April 2018 to seven today, so perhaps she can use those words Also a big part of the dishonest and unfriendly nature of last year's leadership election which made a lot of people disillusioned with the party. Do tell us more.... |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 17, 2021 10:09:28 GMT
With the right candidate. I think Labour parachuting in their candidate, after failing in Walkley, probably didn't help their cause. can I just say straight up this isn't the case. Labour didn't parachute Fran into Firth Park. Firth Park is closer to her home in Burngreave than Walkley is and Irshad also lives in Burngreave and stood in Walkley in May. Throughout the pandemic Fran organised food parcels throughout Firth Park and delivered free school meals to families with children at Firth Park school. Fran didn't rock up having never been there before. We won because of her, there were only 2 other people shortlisted including me and if I'd have been selected we'd have lost because I just couldn't commit to the amount of time Fran could and I was out almost every night. Fran was out every day all day The question this then raises (and I'm not disagreeing with you) is why was such a massive campaign required in what is by all measures an incredibly safe Labour ward? And why with that massive campaign was it still such a close result? |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 17, 2021 10:11:13 GMT
Well, its well known that the council isn't massively popular.
And as with many "safe" wards of all colours, its partly that way because other parties don't normally bother.
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Post by grahammurray on Sept 17, 2021 10:12:23 GMT
Yes, it's good, it continues to prove that we have the cream of human population in God's own city. A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. Double clotted too. Still, it's good to know from C43 that Phil Mickelson (missed cut) did just as well at the Open as Jordan Speith (2nd) in that neither of them won. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 17, 2021 10:14:14 GMT
I see Charlton 69 is at it again. He says we are all glad to report that the lib dems didn't win in Sheffield. Well I am not. So you are wrong there. In actual fact this was an amazing result for the Liberal Democrats. To come from where they did to just narrowly lose is quite a result. I get the impression that Charlton 69 is just a bitter and twisted old cynic who cannot bring himself to congratulate an obviously we'll organised campaign. Shame really as we could all do with less bitterness in the world of politics. I'm not a big user of the block function - I think I only have Captain Footnote (not his real name) blocked, and from what I can see he's not been around for a while. But I am considering upping that to two. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 17, 2021 10:16:24 GMT
Well, its well known that the council isn't massively popular. And as with many "safe" wards of all colours, its partly that way because other parties don't normally bother. Our job will be to capitalise on that, an to make sure that the Greens take a fair share of the blame too. |
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Post by YL on Sept 17, 2021 10:19:09 GMT
ALDC say Tenbury is Ind 481, Con 269, Lab 78, LD 32; Ind gain from Con
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 10:39:53 GMT
Yes, it's good, it continues to prove that we have the cream of human population in God's own city. A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. My remark was partly tounge in cheek as yellowperil admits he's hardly ever been to Sheffield. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 17, 2021 10:42:49 GMT
Well, its well known that the council isn't massively popular. And as with many "safe" wards of all colours, its partly that way because other parties don't normally bother. Our job will be to capitalise on that, an to make sure that the Greens take a fair share of the blame too. I think that's a bit harsh if you really mean "blame". As I understand it, the Greens who started ahead of us after all, ran a totally paper candidacy and therefore hung on only to their core vote, the ones who were not really persuadable to vote Lib Dem. Had there been a Green withdrawal, that vote might have gone four ways (Lab/Con/LD/NV) in fairly unpredictable proportions - I might guess NV might have taken the largest share. Of course, if you mean that next time we will have an excellent bar chart, I'm totally with you. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 17, 2021 10:44:54 GMT
A very premium, expensive, and extremely sour cream that is nowhere near worth the extortionate price you're charged for it. My remark was partly tounge in cheek as yellowperil admits he's hardly ever been to Sheffield. and I've also admitted it was one of Eileen's favourite places without me. |
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 17, 2021 10:46:27 GMT
Ealing: Hobbayne - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B2 votes | 2021 B2 share | since 2021 B1 | since 2018 "top" | since 2018 "average" | since 2014 "top" | since 2014 "average" | | Labour | 1,617 | 52.2% | +3.9% | +1.2% | +1.1% | -0.6% | -3.2% | | Conservative | 865 | 27.9% | -2.5% | +8.1% | +8.2% | -0.4% | +2.3% | | Green | 362 | 11.7% | -0.9% | -1.5% | -1.7% | -1.5% | -2.6% | | Liberal Democrat | 207 | 6.7% | -0.9% | -0.1% | +0.3% | +1.0% | +1.8% | | TUSC | 48 | 1.5% | +0.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Polish Home |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 3¼% since May but Labour to Conservative 3½% since 2018 and 0% / 2¾% since 2014 Council now: 57 Labour, 8 Conservative, 4 Liberal Democrat Malvern Hills: Tenbury Wells - Independent gain from Conservative| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | 2019 result | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Independent | 481 | 55.9% |
| from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 269 | 31.3% | 2 unopposed | -38.3% | -34.8% | | Labour | 78 | 9.1% |
| -21.3% | -24.9% | | Liberal Democrat | 32 | 3.7% |
| from nowhere | from nowhere | | Total votes | 860 |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 16 Independent, 12 Conservative, 5 Green, 4 Liberal Democrat, 1 Labour Middlesbrough: Ladgate - Independent (Middlesbrough Independent Group) gain from Labour sitting as Middlesbrough Independent Group| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Independent Grainge | 362 | 34.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 315 | 30.3% | -9.3% | -9.8% | +4.6% | +6.1% | | Labour | 226 | 21.7% | -38.7% | -38.2% | -31.4% | -31.6% | | Independent Platt | 121 | 11.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 14 | 1.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent Hoban | 3 | 0.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 18 Labour, 13 Middlesbrough Independent Group,10 Middlesbrough Independent Councillors Association, 3 Conservative, 3 Independent Sheffield: Firth Park - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 "top" | since 2016 "average" | | Labour | 1,091 | 40.2% | -16.5% | -11.0% | -18.8% | -17.7% | -18.4% | | Liberal Democrat | 1,050 | 38.7% | +34.1% | +29.9% | +29.9% | +32.2% | +32.1% | | Conservative | 258 | 9.5% | -14.7% | -5.2% | -8.1% | +2.3% | +2.5% | | Green | 162 | 6.0% | -3.8% | -19.4% | -8.6% | -4.6% | -3.5% | | Independent Worrall | 155 | 5.7% | +1.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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Swing: Labour to Liberal Democrat ~ 25% since 2021, 2018 and 2016 and 20% since 2019 Council now: 41 Labour, 29 Liberal Democrat, 13 Green, 1 Conservative
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 17, 2021 10:53:09 GMT
That is a very strong Lib Dem performance. I suspect it’s a combination of a strong local machine in Sheffield that was able to concentrate entirely on one ward, and an element of community identity politics too with a BAME candidate. The Lib Dems have come close in Burngreave in the past, which is quite similar to the Firth Park half of Firth Park ward. The Liberals held Brightside in the early 1970s, and the LDs have won Brightside ward (1993) and Owlerton ward (1998) in the past. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 17, 2021 10:54:29 GMT
Our job will be to capitalise on that, an to make sure that the Greens take a fair share of the blame too. I think that's a bit harsh if you really mean "blame". As I understand it, the Greens who started ahead of us after all, ran a totally paper candidacy and therefore hung on only to their core vote, the ones who were not really persuadable to vote Lib Dem. Had there been a Green withdrawal, that vote might have gone four ways (Lab/Con/LD/NV) in fairly unpredictable proportions - I might guess NV might have taken the largest share. Of course, if you mean that next time we will have an excellent bar chart, I'm totally with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding here - the "blame" I'm thinking of is for their share in the running of the unpopular council comes the next round of elections, not for this single by-election. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 17, 2021 11:00:50 GMT
can I just say straight up this isn't the case. Labour didn't parachute Fran into Firth Park. Firth Park is closer to her home in Burngreave than Walkley is and Irshad also lives in Burngreave and stood in Walkley in May. Throughout the pandemic Fran organised food parcels throughout Firth Park and delivered free school meals to families with children at Firth Park school. Fran didn't rock up having never been there before. We won because of her, there were only 2 other people shortlisted including me and if I'd have been selected we'd have lost because I just couldn't commit to the amount of time Fran could and I was out almost every night. Fran was out every day all day The question this then raises (and I'm not disagreeing with you) is why was such a massive campaign required in what is by all measures an incredibly safe Labour ward? And why with that massive campaign was it still such a close result? the Lib Dems always put on a good campaign and this perhaps was next level stuff, at least 8 pieces of literature in 6 weeks. Amazing stuff really is. From our point of view we should be putting on a good campaign. I didn't genuinely realise how close it was til I saw ballots though. There were perhaps signs from some doorknocking sessions but I didn't think the Lib Dems would do as well, though I did think they would do well just not that well, even if we didn't do as well. It's actually quite hard gage how well your opposition is doing from the doorstep. We put on a good campaign because you should do that. I've always done that. As for why they did well, I think much of its been said. From running a good campaign, their candidate was well known in the asian community and Labour are getting a kicking in northern authorities because we're being held accountable for the state of the roads, the mess people leave, lack of playground facilities, etc. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 17, 2021 11:04:23 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh if you really mean "blame". As I understand it, the Greens who started ahead of us after all, ran a totally paper candidacy and therefore hung on only to their core vote, the ones who were not really persuadable to vote Lib Dem. Had there been a Green withdrawal, that vote might have gone four ways (Lab/Con/LD/NV) in fairly unpredictable proportions - I might guess NV might have taken the largest share. Of course, if you mean that next time we will have an excellent bar chart, I'm totally with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding here - the "blame" I'm thinking of is for their share in the running of the unpopular council comes the next round of elections, not for this single by-election. Ah, I see... yes indeed. Maybe their non - campaign here may reflect they are already shouldering some of that "blame"? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 17, 2021 11:12:41 GMT
The question this then raises (and I'm not disagreeing with you) is why was such a massive campaign required in what is by all measures an incredibly safe Labour ward? And why with that massive campaign was it still such a close result? the Lib Dems always put on a good campaign and this perhaps was next level stuff, at least 8 pieces of literature in 6 weeks. Amazing stuff really is. From our point of view we should be putting on a good campaign. I didn't genuinely realise how close it was til I saw ballots though. That's one of the things with this sort of campaign. I kept seeing all the campaign reports, and - knowing the area - dismissed a lot as hype. If there had been some genuine way of knowing how close it would have been, I would have worked out how to find some time to put some effort in and help erode those 41 votes. |
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