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Post by YL on Sept 16, 2021 22:55:40 GMT
Actually by only 41
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 16, 2021 22:57:52 GMT
Lab hold Firth Park by 41 votes. That is a pretty amazing result |
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Post by YL on Sept 16, 2021 22:58:03 GMT
That is a stunningly good performance from the Lib Dems in a part of the city where they have virtually no history and where they'd barely registered only four months ago. I had gathered the LDs thought it was close, but I still thought Labour would hold on by a little more than that.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 16, 2021 23:07:03 GMT
It is completely unsurprising. Firth Park is the sort of safe seat which would see little to no Lib Dem activity in a citywide election (and presumably little Labour work was needed in order to keep it). But the Lib Dem vote shows how any ward can benefit from campaigning driven by activists from all over the city when there's a byelection.
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Post by agbutler on Sept 16, 2021 23:10:38 GMT
Labour hold Hobbayne
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Post by ilerda on Sept 16, 2021 23:11:09 GMT
That is a very strong Lib Dem performance.
I suspect it’s a combination of a strong local machine in Sheffield that was able to concentrate entirely on one ward, and an element of community identity politics too with a BAME candidate. The Lib Dems have come close in Burngreave in the past, which is quite similar to the Firth Park half of Firth Park ward.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 16, 2021 23:12:10 GMT
EALING Hobbayne
TIGHE, Claire Marie (Labour and Co-operative Party) 1,617
CASTLE, David George (The Conservative Party Candidate) 865
ANDERSON, Alan Campbell (Green Party) 362
MITTON, Alastair Martin Beverly (Liberal Democrat) 207
GILL, Tony (Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition) 48
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 16, 2021 23:13:31 GMT
That's about a 3% swing to Labour since May in Hobbayne, I think.
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Post by andrewp on Sept 16, 2021 23:19:47 GMT
That's about a 3% swing to Labour since May in Hobbayne, I think. 3.2% swing to Labour since May, and I think about 3.4% swing to Conservative since 2018. |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 16, 2021 23:26:19 GMT
That is a very strong Lib Dem performance. I suspect it’s a combination of a strong local machine in Sheffield that was able to concentrate entirely on one ward, and an element of community identity politics too with a BAME candidate. The Lib Dems have come close in Burngreave in the past, which is quite similar to the Firth Park half of Firth Park ward. I think Burngreave may have been the first ward won by the Liberals in Sheffield Post war, held by Francis Butler for quite a while. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 16, 2021 23:39:38 GMT
Sheffield is certainly looking up since carlton43 moved there. |
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Post by eamonn on Sept 17, 2021 6:32:36 GMT
Greens ran no campaign in Firth Park. Expenses return I submit will be £0.00.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 6:49:17 GMT
Sheffield is certainly looking up since carlton43 moved there. Yes, it's good, it continues to prove that we have the cream of human population in God's own city. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 6:50:28 GMT
Greens ran no campaign in Firth Park. Expenses return I submit will be £0.00. Because of the arrangement with Labour to run the council? |
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Post by YL on Sept 17, 2021 7:16:53 GMT
That is a very strong Lib Dem performance. I suspect it’s a combination of a strong local machine in Sheffield that was able to concentrate entirely on one ward, and an element of community identity politics too with a BAME candidate. The Lib Dems have come close in Burngreave in the past, which is quite similar to the Firth Park half of Firth Park ward. I think Burngreave may have been the first ward won by the Liberals in Sheffield Post war, held by Francis Butler for quite a while. Burngreave was a Liberal ward for most of the 1970s. AIUI Francis Butler won it in a by-election between the 1970 and 1971 elections and then held it easily in 1972; he was then joined by two colleagues in the 1973 all-ups and they held the seats for a few years after that, Butler being the last to lose in 1984. Butler had actually stood in Firth Park several times before moving to Burngreave in 1970. But I don't think Butler was quite the first: the Labour gain in Heeley in 1971 was from Liberal, the Liberals having won the seat from the Tories in a by-election before 1970. ( Scans of the Star articles here, thanks to David Ashforth . The information is also on Wikipedia, but I think it's all taken from those scans.) |
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Post by iang on Sept 17, 2021 7:32:08 GMT
Even so, that strikes me as a very good, and Not unsurprising result. We had come last every time since 2016, and even 5th behind an indy last time. If you look at the Sheffield thread from 2021, much of the talk after the election was on whether, following relatively disappointing results, the Lib Dems were on the way down in Sheffield, and the Tories particularly on the way up. And this, from the large UKIP vote a few years ago, was the sort of seat where from a distance, it might have been expected that the Tories would be the challengers. Certainly none of our "predictors" gave us any chance - so, taking the point that you can throw a full campaign into a by-election in a way that you can't in a full election, it does seem both a very good result for us and a surprising one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 7:32:19 GMT
She is the main reason why the Lib Dem Group on Barnsley Council has grown from zero in April 2018 to seven today, so perhaps she can use those words Also a big part of the dishonest and unfriendly nature of last year's leadership election which made a lot of people disillusioned with the party. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 17, 2021 7:37:36 GMT
Even so, that strikes me as a very good, and Not unsurprising result. We had come last every time since 2016, and even 5th behind an indy last time. If you look at the Sheffield thread from 2021, much of the talk after the election was on whether, following relatively disappointing results, the Lib Dems were on the way down in Sheffield, and the Tories particularly on the way up. And this, from the large UKIP vote a few years ago, was the sort of seat where from a distance, it might have been expected that the Tories would be the challengers. Certainly none of our "predictors" gave us any chance - so, taking the point that you can throw a full campaign into a by-election in a way that you can't in a full election, it does seem both a very good result for us and a surprising one With the right candidate. I think Labour parachuting in their candidate, after failing in Walkley, probably didn't help their cause. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 17, 2021 8:28:46 GMT
Even so, that strikes me as a very good, and Not unsurprising result. We had come last every time since 2016, and even 5th behind an indy last time. If you look at the Sheffield thread from 2021, much of the talk after the election was on whether, following relatively disappointing results, the Lib Dems were on the way down in Sheffield, and the Tories particularly on the way up. And this, from the large UKIP vote a few years ago, was the sort of seat where from a distance, it might have been expected that the Tories would be the challengers. Certainly none of our "predictors" gave us any chance - so, taking the point that you can throw a full campaign into a by-election in a way that you can't in a full election, it does seem both a very good result for us and a surprising one With the right candidate. I think Labour parachuting in their candidate, after failing in Walkley, probably didn't help their cause. The candidate was important , sure, but the main thing was probably the team assembled for him. It confirms my long held belief that you can make a significant impact (not necessarily win) just about anywhere if you really have the determination and the self-belief to go for it. And you then ferret out the weaknesses of the opposition- in this case probably the limitations of a parachuted-in candidate and a creaky organisation which hadn't really had to put in a fight for a long time.I am one of those predictors who apparently"didn't give us a chance" - actually I seriously considered all possibilities and at one point having seen our tweets had a draft which had the LDs on 30% (still would have been an underestimate!)but then chickened out on it because I could find no neutral/opposition support out there for that sort of prediction, and I confess to being finally influenced by the other predictors who had already gone before me- not the first time that's happened, I would probably be better to learn not to look! After all our resident Sheffield predictor had us on 3.6%! |
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Post by mattbewilson on Sept 17, 2021 8:31:21 GMT
Even so, that strikes me as a very good, and Not unsurprising result. We had come last every time since 2016, and even 5th behind an indy last time. If you look at the Sheffield thread from 2021, much of the talk after the election was on whether, following relatively disappointing results, the Lib Dems were on the way down in Sheffield, and the Tories particularly on the way up. And this, from the large UKIP vote a few years ago, was the sort of seat where from a distance, it might have been expected that the Tories would be the challengers. Certainly none of our "predictors" gave us any chance - so, taking the point that you can throw a full campaign into a by-election in a way that you can't in a full election, it does seem both a very good result for us and a surprising one With the right candidate. I think Labour parachuting in their candidate, after failing in Walkley, probably didn't help their cause. can I just say straight up this isn't the case. Labour didn't parachute Fran into Firth Park. Firth Park is closer to her home in Burngreave than Walkley is and Irshad also lives in Burngreave and stood in Walkley in May. Throughout the pandemic Fran organised food parcels throughout Firth Park and delivered free school meals to families with children at Firth Park school. Fran didn't rock up having never been there before. We won because of her, there were only 2 other people shortlisted including me and if I'd have been selected we'd have lost because I just couldn't commit to the amount of time Fran could and I was out almost every night. Fran was out every day all day |
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