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Post by manchesterman on Aug 7, 2021 23:34:51 GMT
A mediocre Labour MP in a Greater Manchester seat persuaded to resign and take up some cushy job elsewhere, so that Burnham can run in an easy-win seat. I'll go with Wythenshawe & Sale East. Andy Burnham is not coming back into Westminster in a by-election to replace Starmer as Labour leader He has been asked directly more than once on a local radio phone-in whether he would vow to serve his FULL term as GM Mayor and on every occasion he has been unequivocal in saying so. Now of course he could try a "I cant imagine the circumstances.." line, but it would damage his credibility if he did then resign having been SO unequivocal about not resigning under any circumstances.
I dont see Starmer resigning unless the polls still havent moved in say 18 months, and Labour dont do putsches like the Tories do, so Starmer will be leader for the foreseeable.
As to the next by-lection, what happened with that proposed job for Theresa May? Not heard anything about that for a few weeks..I think she is done with this "new look" Tory party and would happily take another major role instead of wallowing on the backbenches
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Post by grahammurray on Aug 8, 2021 7:57:05 GMT
Andy Burnham is not coming back into Westminster in a by-election to replace Starmer as Labour leader He has been asked directly more than once on a local radio phone-in whether he would vow to serve his FULL term as GM Mayor and on every occasion he has been unequivocal in saying so. Now of course he could try a "I cant imagine the circumstances.." line, but it would damage his credibility if he did then resign having been SO unequivocal about not resigning under any circumstances. All true, but I can't think of a single instance where someone asked a similar question has said that they would even consider standing down and contesting for a higher position. Just imagine he had said 'yes' in this case. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 8, 2021 7:58:40 GMT
He has been asked directly more than once on a local radio phone-in whether he would vow to serve his FULL term as GM Mayor and on every occasion he has been unequivocal in saying so. Now of course he could try a "I cant imagine the circumstances.." line, but it would damage his credibility if he did then resign having been SO unequivocal about not resigning under any circumstances. All true, but I can't think of a single instance where someone asked a similar question has said that they would even consider standing down and contesting for a higher position. Just imagine he had said 'yes' in this case. Happens in the States all the time. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 8, 2021 8:22:49 GMT
Just wait until inflation forces up mortgage repayments coupled with the end of furole next month. there's nothing worse than the end of a furole. But they are hardly needed in the warmth of summer unless one is climbing the side of an active volcano on a chilly night? |
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 8, 2021 20:24:00 GMT
Next by-election: Norwich South
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 8, 2021 21:51:58 GMT
Next by-election: Norwich South South? I know the Conservative in North has had some illness, but hadn't heard any rumours about Clive Lewis's departure? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Aug 9, 2021 5:06:43 GMT
Next by-election: Norwich South South? I know the Conservative in North has had some illness, but hadn't heard any rumours about Clive Lewis's departure? Thing is we could just pick a random constituency and be right. |
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Post by rcronald on Aug 9, 2021 5:50:59 GMT
Leicester East
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 9, 2021 7:48:18 GMT
South? I know the Conservative in North has had some illness, but hadn't heard any rumours about Clive Lewis's departure? Thing is we could just pick a random constituency and be right. Another thing is that this is inherently a rather shabby and nasty thread in concept. It is there for those, so given, to gloat and make competitive fun out of imminent death and other human factors that will spell humiliation and personal breakdown for the MPs affected. Why not just wait for the vacancy and then start the waffle. Once the death is known or the MP has fallen from grace, it is fair game to speculate and to team and ladle. But to hover like carrion over the constituencies of the ill and the elderly is frankly sick and repellent. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 9, 2021 7:58:31 GMT
I dont see Starmer resigning unless the polls still havent moved in say 18 months, and Labour dont do putsches like the Tories do, so Starmer will be leader for the foreseeable. 18 months is too long to wait - if Labour are still behind in a year's time they are going to have to start asking some serious questions. It may also depends what happens to the LibDems and to what extent they are able to revive, so taking support from soft Tories and boosting Labour by default. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 9:01:50 GMT
Aware that this is a drum I've banged before, only I truly believe it, so I'll just give it one more whack.
There is something questionable, distasteful, even cruel, to have a thread which could promote innuendo about a person's health. Yes, an MP might be suffering from long Covid or cancer or depression or god knows what else; it is not acceptable (in my opinion!) to speculate about the day they might drop dead. It's why I never join in those "death list" games people play at the start of the year, drawing up the 5 or 10 people most likely to die and getting points for every successful guess.
If we are to have this thread, could we just step back from metaphorically tiptoeing through the hospital wards whispering "Not long for him I suspect?" and other such morbid chin-stroking?
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 9, 2021 9:18:31 GMT
Aware that this is a drum I've banged before, only I truly believe it, so I'll just give it one more whack. There is something questionable, distasteful, even cruel, to have a thread which could promote innuendo about a person's health. Yes, an MP might be suffering from long Covid or cancer or depression or god knows what else; it is not acceptable (in my opinion!) to speculate about the day they might drop dead. It's why I never join in those "death list" games people play at the start of the year, drawing up the 5 or 10 people most likely to die and getting points for every successful guess. If we are to have this thread, could we just step back from metaphorically tiptoeing through the hospital wards whispering "Not long for him I suspect?" and other such morbid chin-stroking? The other side of it is that certain predictions could be seen as expressing an opinion about the guilt or innocence of certain individuals facing legal charges, which is heading towards slightly dodgy territory legally. |
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Post by peterl on Aug 9, 2021 11:12:01 GMT
Aware that this is a drum I've banged before, only I truly believe it, so I'll just give it one more whack. There is something questionable, distasteful, even cruel, to have a thread which could promote innuendo about a person's health. Yes, an MP might be suffering from long Covid or cancer or depression or god knows what else; it is not acceptable (in my opinion!) to speculate about the day they might drop dead. It's why I never join in those "death list" games people play at the start of the year, drawing up the 5 or 10 people most likely to die and getting points for every successful guess. If we are to have this thread, could we just step back from metaphorically tiptoeing through the hospital wards whispering "Not long for him I suspect?" and other such morbid chin-stroking? The competition is "pick a constituency". No speculation either of a person's impending demise or of the outcome of criminal proceedings is required. Just a name. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 9, 2021 13:30:22 GMT
Aware that this is a drum I've banged before, only I truly believe it, so I'll just give it one more whack. There is something questionable, distasteful, even cruel, to have a thread which could promote innuendo about a person's health. Yes, an MP might be suffering from long Covid or cancer or depression or god knows what else; it is not acceptable (in my opinion!) to speculate about the day they might drop dead. It's why I never join in those "death list" games people play at the start of the year, drawing up the 5 or 10 people most likely to die and getting points for every successful guess. If we are to have this thread, could we just step back from metaphorically tiptoeing through the hospital wards whispering "Not long for him I suspect?" and other such morbid chin-stroking? The competition is "pick a constituency". No speculation either of a person's impending demise or of the outcome of criminal proceedings is required. Just a name. What on earth would be the point of that? Random selection. Pointless drivel. This is like the infamous Death List concept thread. It is predicated on illness, impending death and personal tragedy. It is thoroughly nasty. And I state that as one who has had to fight a corner twice over discussing prospects as soon as there is a death. When they are dead it is OK by me, straight away. But speculation on the demise of the living has a whiff of the tontine and a whiff of evil about it. |
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Post by peterl on Aug 9, 2021 15:38:40 GMT
The competition is "pick a constituency". No speculation either of a person's impending demise or of the outcome of criminal proceedings is required. Just a name. What on earth would be the point of that? Random selection. Pointless drivel. This is like the infamous Death List concept thread. It is predicated on illness, impending death and personal tragedy. It is thoroughly nasty. And I state that as one who has had to fight a corner twice over discussing prospects as soon as there is a death. When they are dead it is OK by me, straight away. But speculation on the demise of the living has a whiff of the tontine and a whiff of evil about it. Play, don't play. Its all the same to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 17:07:28 GMT
What on earth would be the point of that? Random selection. Pointless drivel. This is like the infamous Death List concept thread. It is predicated on illness, impending death and personal tragedy. It is thoroughly nasty. And I state that as one who has had to fight a corner twice over discussing prospects as soon as there is a death. When they are dead it is OK by me, straight away. But speculation on the demise of the living has a whiff of the tontine and a whiff of evil about it. Play, don't play. Its all the same to me. Can't you see the potential problems, moral and legal, for the forum? Suggest an MP is in any kind of problems, severe enough for them to go to court and potentially cause a byelection, and this forum is a publishing source of something actionable in court. Suggest an MP could die in X months and you've got posters (and lurkers) wondering what else we could be betting on. If a "death list" is acceptable, what else? |
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Post by peterl on Aug 9, 2021 17:21:57 GMT
Play, don't play. Its all the same to me. Can't you see the potential problems, moral and legal, for the forum? Suggest an MP is in any kind of problems, severe enough for them to go to court and potentially cause a byelection, and this forum is a publishing source of something actionable in court. Suggest an MP could die in X months and you've got posters (and lurkers) wondering what else we could be betting on. If a "death list" is acceptable, what else? The "rumoured and ramped" thread already does all this. |
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Post by cj on Aug 9, 2021 17:35:09 GMT
I dont see Starmer resigning unless the polls still havent moved in say 18 months, and Labour dont do putsches like the Tories do, so Starmer will be leader for the foreseeable. 18 months is too long to wait - if Labour are still behind in a year's time they are going to have to start asking some serious questions. It may also depends what happens to the LibDems and to what extent they are able to revive, so taking support from soft Tories and boosting Labour by default. I think such questions are likely to be ruled out of order, well for the membership anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 18:20:34 GMT
Can't you see the potential problems, moral and legal, for the forum? Suggest an MP is in any kind of problems, severe enough for them to go to court and potentially cause a byelection, and this forum is a publishing source of something actionable in court. Suggest an MP could die in X months and you've got posters (and lurkers) wondering what else we could be betting on. If a "death list" is acceptable, what else? The "rumoured and ramped" thread already does all this. Without awarding points like a ghoulish game show. And I've made my views on that thread about getting into the nudge nudge wink wink territory over illnesses and sickness before. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 9, 2021 18:28:06 GMT
I'm actually going to agree with dok here. I have no problem with noting on the by election thread that the MP for Borsetshire West has been arrested for being drunk and disorderly, or is having an operation to remove an ingrown toenail, but I don't think it needs to be a competition.
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