|
|
Post by mrhell on Feb 6, 2015 20:07:48 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Tangent on Feb 6, 2015 22:06:42 GMT
She looks like Rebecca Front But can she do the Barbara Wintergreen pout at the end of an interview? |
|
Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
Posts: 12,012
|
Post by Khunanup on Feb 7, 2015 23:36:26 GMT
She looks like Rebecca Front But can she do the Barbara Wintergreen pout at the end of an interview? I'm looking out for Newsnight to have the real Ted Maul! |
|
Crimson King
Lib Dem
Be nice to each other and sing in tune
Posts: 9,844 
|
Post by Crimson King on Feb 7, 2015 23:50:57 GMT
is that Darth Mauls's dad?
|
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Feb 28, 2015 22:15:47 GMT
CPAC straw poll results  |
|
|
|
Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 28, 2015 22:21:54 GMT
But can she do the Barbara Wintergreen pout at the end of an interview? I'm looking out for Newsnight to have the real Ted Maul! Or the return of Peter O'Hanrahanrahanrahan! |
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Mar 1, 2015 11:09:25 GMT
CPAC straw poll results Depressing reading for those of us keen to see the GOP put up the most credible possible candidate to keep Hillary's hands off the US tiller. But, just to put these numbers in context, remember the CPAC straw poll results from 2011: Ron Paul: 30% Mitt Romney: 23% Gary Johnson 6% Chris Christie 6% Newt Gingrich: 5% Tim Pawlenty 4% Michele Bachmann 4% Mitch Daniels 4% Sarah Palin: 3% Herman Cain 2% Mike Huckabee 2% Rick Santorum 2% John Thune 2% Jon Huntsman 1% Haley Barbour 1% |
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Mar 1, 2015 13:09:03 GMT
Depressing reading for those of us keen to see the GOP put up the most credible possible candidate to keep Hillary's hands off the US tiller. Who would you consider to be credible candidates? Any on that list? |
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Mar 1, 2015 13:28:26 GMT
Full straw poll results here
A couple of interesting details. Although the poll results showed to respondents to be conservative on most issues (as you might expect) there was a majority in favour of Cannabis legalisation
For medical or recreational 41%
For medical only 26%
To stay illegal 27%
d/k 7%
Another interesting detail is that as well as polling for first choice (figures as shown above) they also showed results for people first and second choice
The results of that were as follows
Rand Paul 42%
Scott Walker 40%
Ted Cruz 24%
Ben Carson 22%
Jeb Bush 13%
Marco Rubio 11%
Donald Trump 8%
Rick Santorum 8%
Carly Fiorina 8%
Chris Christie 5%
Rick Perry 5%
Bobby Jindal 4%
Now I know these things don't mean much in the overall scheme of things. Lots of Rand Paul fans and not many Jeb Bush fans will have attended CPAC so those results are not surprising. What I wonder may be a little more significant is the Scott Walker scores. I know the primaries are still a long way off but that's still a good score for him at the start of the campaign.
|
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Mar 1, 2015 14:03:26 GMT
For me, the credible would include Bush, Rubio, Fiorina (and she has already all but announced that she will be seeking the nomination).
The incredible would include Santorum, Trump, Bolton, graham and (regrettably) Palin.
I am far from convinced that Paul can reach out to build a large enough coalition to win in the country at large. If he could do so, then I'd certainly out of personal preference add him to my list of credibles.
|
|
Richard Allen
Banned
Four time loser in VUKPOTY finals
Posts: 19,052
|
Post by Richard Allen on Mar 1, 2015 14:16:27 GMT
At the present moment it is hard to see any of them beating Hilary, not because there are not capable candidates, but because significant elements of the GOP seem intent on proving that their party is utterly unfit to govern. Look at Friday's fiasco where they nearly shut down the Department of Homeland Security just to throw a temper tantrum about Obama's action on immigration. The next few days will not be pretty at all for the GOP with a lot blood letting and possibly even an attempt to remove John Boehner as Speaker of the House.
|
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Mar 1, 2015 14:27:55 GMT
The incredible would include Santorum, Trump, Bolton, graham and (regrettably) Palin. Well I would agree with you on all of those and to be fair none of them did well of the ballot. What's your view of Scott Walker? I don't know a huge amount about him but he seems presentable enough Why do you include Bush in that list. His access to the Bush family address book will enable him to do huge fundraising which he can use to massively outspend the other primary candidates however in the general election he won't be massively outspend Clinton (who has her own family address book). Then all the Bush family political baggage will come into play. People will be constantly reminded of his father's and brother's presidencies, and not in a good way. I can't see how he can beat Clinton. If Bush is the nominee then the election at that point already be over. |
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Mar 1, 2015 14:30:00 GMT
At the present moment it is hard to see any of them beating Hilary, not because there are not capable candidates Who do you think are the capable candidates? |
|
|
|
Post by casualobserver on Mar 1, 2015 14:40:27 GMT
The incredible would include Santorum, Trump, Bolton, graham and (regrettably) Palin. Well I would agree with you on all of those and to be fair none of them did well of the ballot. What's your view of Scott Walker? I don't know a huge amount about him but he seems presentable enough Why do you include Bush in that list. His access to the Bush family address book will enable him to do huge fundraising which he can use to massively outspend the other primary candidates however in the general election he won't be massively outspend Clinton (who has her own family address book). Then all the Bush family political baggage will come into play. People will be constantly reminded of his father's and brother's presidencies, and not in a good way. I can't see how he can beat Clinton. If Bush is the nominee then the election at that point already be over. I firmly support the initiatives Scott Walkwr has pushed through. However, I fear that in doing so he has become too divisive a figure to appeal effectively to the middle ground nationally. As for Jeb - he's far from being an identikit copy of his brother! He should be able to carry Florida and, recent polling notwithstanding, his appeal to Hispanic voters should be positive. Ideologically I'm far from being or of his fervent admirers - but the question in this thread was who will be most effective as a candidate. I see Jeb as a candidate who can present himself as inclusive and "cuddly", in sharp contrast to Hillary. |
|
Richard Allen
Banned
Four time loser in VUKPOTY finals
Posts: 19,052
|
Post by Richard Allen on Mar 1, 2015 14:45:31 GMT
At the present moment it is hard to see any of them beating Hilary, not because there are not capable candidates Who do you think are the capable candidates? Regardless of his family baggage Jeb Bush is a capable candidate. Unlike some of the candidates he is an adult politician (successful two term governor of a large state) who would not look out of place as President and few would worry that he might not be up to the job. He also much better placed than most to win over Latino voters, a demographic of increasing importance. Scott Walker could be a capable candidate as he has cross over appeal to the various GOP factions and so could probably keep the party mostly united. That being said some of his recent comments raise questions about whether he is ready to play at the highest level. Marco Rubio would be an interesting candidate. He has a compelling back story and would compare well to Hilary but might be a bit too lightweight for a serious Presidential candidate. Rand Paul would be an utterly intriguing candidate that on one hands reaches part of the electorate that no other GOP candidate does but also has some serious weaknesses as a candidate. |
|
|
|
Post by Devonian on Mar 1, 2015 14:59:14 GMT
Who do you think are the capable candidates? Regardless of his family baggage Jeb Bush is a capable candidate. Unlike some of the candidates he is an adult politician (successful two term governor of a large state) who would not look out of place as President and few would worry that he might not be up to the job. He also much better placed than most to win over Latino voters, a demographic of increasing importance. I don't doubt any of that. I just think that the family 'baggage' will be huge drag on his chances of actually winning the general election despite all those points you list. |
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 2, 2015 21:41:00 GMT
|
|
Richard Allen
Banned
Four time loser in VUKPOTY finals
Posts: 19,052
|
Post by Richard Allen on Mar 2, 2015 23:12:33 GMT
CNN's breaking news was actually reported yesterday by several websites. Bush apparently made a point of not signing pledges during his gubernatorial campaigns.
|
|
|
|
Post by mrhell on Mar 3, 2015 1:37:28 GMT
CNN's breaking news was actually reported yesterday by several websites. Bush apparently made a point of not signing pledges during his gubernatorial campaigns. Yeah what idiots would do that sort of thing! Anyway, Jeb owes me some money as I backed him for 2008 and 2012 at quite high odds. I didn't bother this time as there didn't seem any value in his price. |
|
Richard Allen
Banned
Four time loser in VUKPOTY finals
Posts: 19,052
|
Post by Richard Allen on Mar 3, 2015 14:48:22 GMT
|
|
