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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:23:26 GMT
"The nation’s 538 presidential electors have been thrust into the political foreground like never before in American history. In the aftermath of a uniquely polarizing presidential contest, the once-anonymous electors are squarely in the spotlight, targeted by death threats, harassing phone calls and reams of hate mail. One Texas Republican elector said he’s been bombarded with more than 200,000 emails." “I never can imagine harassing people like this. It’s just f----- up,” said Jim Rhoades, a Republican elector from Michigan who runs a home inspection service. “I’ve lost a bunch of business.” www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electors-under-siege-232774 |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 19, 2016 9:58:10 GMT
Isn't today Electors voting day? 19th Dec rings a bell. When will we get the results?
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 19, 2016 10:10:50 GMT
Looks like HRC's final popular vote lead over The Donald was over 2.8 million, or around 2% of the poll.
The nationwide surveys, at least, weren't *that* wrong.
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Post by johnloony on Dec 19, 2016 10:22:46 GMT
Isn't today Electors voting day? 19th Dec rings a bell. When will we get the results? I think the votes are counted on about 8th January. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 19, 2016 10:26:02 GMT
The results of the electoral college meeting (in each state) are made known when they happen.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 19, 2016 12:39:21 GMT
Updated version, with the final results (as I hope):   |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 19, 2016 15:38:09 GMT
Updated version, with the final results (as I hope): Are those numbers the difference between the state and the national average? Otherwise some of them are confusing me |
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Post by jamie on Dec 19, 2016 21:15:26 GMT
Four faithless electors in Washington state I remember discussion months ago about the possibility of 1 faithless elector (a Berniecrat) defecting and denying Hillary victory, how times have changed. It should be noted Hillary won Washington convincingly, actually improved on the Obama margin of 2012 and won the primary. However, she bombed in the official caucus and I'm guessing the most committed Democratic activists (particularly in socialist Seattle) really don't like her. |
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Post by jamie on Dec 19, 2016 21:25:14 GMT
A bit of fun:
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Post by johnloony on Dec 19, 2016 21:30:42 GMT
I must have misunderstood the "faithless electors" laws which some states have. I thought that the votes were sealed and not even counted until January, and I had thought that the laws aimed at stopping faithless voters were simply unenforceable and therefore merely symbolic.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 19, 2016 21:42:56 GMT
Maine has voted 2 votes for Clinton, 1 for Trump and 1 for Bernie Sanders. Is this the first time that electors from a state have voted for three different people for President? No. The first time was in... 1789. Yes I know the history books say Washington was elected unopposed but that's not precisely what happened. For the first four elections, electors nominated two names, of whom at least one could not be from their home state, with no distinction between President or Vice President. The Veep was the highest vote getter once a President had been selected. This system resulted in a split election in 1796 and deadlock in 1800, leading to the 12th amendment separating them out. All electors voting cast one vote for Washington but the other votes were split in: Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia. The last state returned votes for five different men. Although some states were split two ways thereafter, in part due to district level elections or divisions in the state legislatures, it wasn't until the 1824 election that some states had truly scattered votes. Maryland voted Jackson 7, Adams 3, Crawford 1. New York Jackson 1, Adams 26, Crawford 5, Clay 4. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 19, 2016 21:45:54 GMT
Four faithless electors in Washington state That's just given me a good laugh for the evening, thank you. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 19, 2016 22:05:50 GMT
And for those wondering about other cases...
Most states settled on a state wide vote around the 1830s, with Maine only going back to district in the late 1960s and Nebraska in the 1990s. However many states used a "long ballot" which we would recognise as multi-member FPTP and this could produce splits, either because of divided votes or because a party nominated a mix of pledged and unpledged electors.
In 1872 the Liberal Republican and Democrat candidate Horace Greely died between popular voting and the college voting. His electors voted for a mix of candidates, with three different men voted for from Missouri (Benjamin Gratz Brown - Greely's running mate - with 8, Thomas Hendricks with 6 and David Davis with 1) and from Georgia (Brown 6, Greely 3 though Congress disallowed them and Charles Jenkins 2).
1892 saw a strong third party challenge from the Populists and the first split states for many years outside of death. North Dakota electors voted for one each of Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison and James Weaver.
Otherwise I can't find any other cases of a state's electors voting for three or more Presidential candidates. Veeps may be a different kettle of fish (although in 1872 virtually all Greely electors voted for Brown for Veep unless they voted him for Pres).
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 19, 2016 22:07:02 GMT
Ms Spotted Eagle will also go down in history as the first Native American to get a vote in the Electoral College. Charles Curtis? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 22:40:00 GMT
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 19, 2016 23:10:36 GMT
So much for any great attempt to get Republican electors to go against Trump en masse...  |
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 20, 2016 1:09:16 GMT
That makes the final Electoral College vote For President Donald Trump 304 Hillary Clinton 227 Colin Powell 3 Faith Spotted Eagle 1 John Kasich 1 Ron Paul 1 Bernie Sanders 1 Vice President Mike Pence 305 Tim Kaine 227 Elizabeth Warren 2 Maria Cantwell 1 Susan Collins 1 Winona LaDuke 1 Carly Fiorina 1 That's the final nail in the coffin for the credibility of the electoral college as a system for electing the President and Vice President. Its only selling point is that it reflects the federal nature of the US by allocating votes by state. This has utterly failed by the amount of faithless electors who have refused to do that including voting for people who were actually not even in the running for the presidency. When coupled with the popular vote decisively going the other way it makes it look even more completely ludicrous than it already is. Oh and the Vice President having more 'democratic' legitimacy than the President is just unintentionally hilarious... |
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Post by independentukip on Dec 20, 2016 1:12:46 GMT
That makes the final Electoral College vote For President Donald Trump 304 Hillary Clinton 227 Colin Powell 3 Faith Spotted Eagle 1 John Kasich 1 Ron Paul 1 Bernie Sanders 1 Vice President Mike Pence 305 Tim Kaine 227 Elizabeth Warren 2 Maria Cantwell 1 Susan Collins 1 Winona LaDuke 1 Carly Fiorina 1 Quite hilarious really when all the talk was of the prospect of faithless Trump electors and it turned out almost all of them were Hillary electors. It rather goes to show what a terrible candidate she was. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 2:00:26 GMT
That makes the final Electoral College vote For President Donald Trump 304 Hillary Clinton 227 Colin Powell 3 Faith Spotted Eagle 1 John Kasich 1 Ron Paul 1 Bernie Sanders 1 Vice President Mike Pence 305 Tim Kaine 227 Elizabeth Warren 2 Maria Cantwell 1 Susan Collins 1 Winona LaDuke 1 Carly Fiorina 1 That's the final nail in the coffin for the credibility of the electoral college as a system for electing the President and Vice President. Its only selling point is that it reflects the federal nature of the US by allocating votes by state. This has utterly failed by the amount of faithless electors who have refused to do that including voting for people who were actually not even in the running for the presidency. When coupled with the popular vote decisively going the other way it makes it look even more completely ludicrous than it already is. Oh and the Vice President having more 'democratic' legitimacy than the President is just unintentionally hilarious... It depends how you view the role of the EC. You might as well argue the electors have failed by not preventing an obviously unsuitable person from becoming President. Originally that was one of the EC's main purposes. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 20, 2016 2:49:53 GMT
That makes the final Electoral College vote For President Donald Trump 304 ... Vice President Mike Pence 305 ... So Mike Pence is president?  |
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