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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 13, 2016 5:20:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 7:55:30 GMT
9 of the electors who signed the letter are Democrats and the 1 republican who signed it has already said he won't vote for Trump. For all the moaning and outrage of Trump saying he wouldn't accept the result the left are total hypocrites. Accept the result, move on and become opposition to all of America and not just the east and west coast. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 13, 2016 10:45:09 GMT
Reading up more on Tillerson, I cannot see what possible benefits he brings to Trump other than he is an arse-kisser to Putin.
Everything looks like there will be massive conflicts of interest involving Exxon activities in Russia.
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Post by Malice the Red on Dec 13, 2016 12:28:12 GMT
Reading up more on Tillerson, I cannot see what possible benefits he brings to Trump other than he is an arse-kisser to Putin. Everything looks like there will be massive conflicts of interest involving Exxon activities in Russia. I think McCain, Graham, Rubio, and Gardner will be able to block his confirmation. Let's hope, at least. |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2016 13:25:43 GMT
Why is Tillerson so objected to? Exxon is by some measures the largest corporation in the world. No one gets to be Chairman/CE/CEO of a global multinational without being very bright and very competent. So just what are the objections to him for that role. It is a big job with global ramifications just like what he has been doing very successfully for years? Everyone comes with baggage and past connections. He is no exception. I am a Russophile so I very much endorse a warm and close relationship with Russia. I think Russia was right over Syria. If we had grouped with Russia to give complete and unconditional support to Assad (as I recommended then and ever since) ISIS would have had more of a problem forming and all of the rebels would have been crushed and killed out thus nipping any possible civil war in the bud. Hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, far fewer refugees been created and much less physical damage caused to the towns. The nature and policies of an Assad are none of our business, but stability and prevention of civil war and prevention of terrorism is important to us. We unerringly get all this wrong and for the wrong reasons in all parties. I cannot understand the stupidity of the West other than Russia.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 13, 2016 16:41:36 GMT
Reading up more on Tillerson, I cannot see what possible benefits he brings to Trump other than he is an arse-kisser to Putin. Everything looks like there will be massive conflicts of interest involving Exxon activities in Russia. It was Condoleezza and Robert Gates that introduced him and recommended him to Trump though and they are huge hawks on Russia. Rice and Gates also have consulting interests in Russia though... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 13, 2016 16:46:43 GMT
Why is Tillerson so objected to? Exxon is by some measures the largest corporation in the world. No one gets to be Chairman/CE/CEO of a global multinational without being very bright and very competent. So just what are the objections to him for that role. It is a big job with global ramifications just like what he has been doing very successfully for years? Everyone comes with baggage and past connections. He is no exception. I am a Russophile so I very much endorse a warm and close relationship with Russia. I think Russia was right over Syria. If we had grouped with Russia to give complete and unconditional support to Assad (as I recommended then and ever since) ISIS would have had more of a problem forming and all of the rebels would have been crushed and killed out thus nipping any possible civil war in the bud. Hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, far fewer refugees been created and much less physical damage caused to the towns. The nature and policies of an Assad are none of our business, but stability and prevention of civil war and prevention of terrorism is important to us. We unerringly get all this wrong and for the wrong reasons in all parties. I cannot understand the stupidity of the West other than Russia. I am also keen on having more amicable relationships with Russia, on the whole. But that does not mean that a man who stands to benefit financially from the dropping of sanctions against Russia is the man to be put in charge of...sanctions against Russia. The whole thing looks like US foreign policy is being turned not towards a positive partnership with Russia but an arsenal-kissing exercise designed to further someone's business interests. As for his business background. Well, I'm not sure that that somehow makes him any more qualified to be a chief diplomat that anyone else. It reminds me of when they argue that people should be able to vote at 17 because they are old enough to drive a car, as if they are transferable skills. Is there genuinely nobody more credible in a nation of 300 million? |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2016 17:06:03 GMT
Why is Tillerson so objected to? Exxon is by some measures the largest corporation in the world. No one gets to be Chairman/CE/CEO of a global multinational without being very bright and very competent. So just what are the objections to him for that role. It is a big job with global ramifications just like what he has been doing very successfully for years? Everyone comes with baggage and past connections. He is no exception. I am a Russophile so I very much endorse a warm and close relationship with Russia. I think Russia was right over Syria. If we had grouped with Russia to give complete and unconditional support to Assad (as I recommended then and ever since) ISIS would have had more of a problem forming and all of the rebels would have been crushed and killed out thus nipping any possible civil war in the bud. Hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, far fewer refugees been created and much less physical damage caused to the towns. The nature and policies of an Assad are none of our business, but stability and prevention of civil war and prevention of terrorism is important to us. We unerringly get all this wrong and for the wrong reasons in all parties. I cannot understand the stupidity of the West other than Russia. I am also keen on having more amicable relationships with Russia, on the whole. But that does not mean that a man who stands to benefit financially from the dropping of sanctions against Russia is the man to be put in charge of...sanctions against Russia. The whole thing looks like US foreign policy is being turned not towards a positive partnership with Russia but an arsenal-kissing exercise designed to further someone's business interests. As for his business background. Well, I'm not sure that that somehow makes him any more qualified to be a chief diplomat that anyone else. It reminds me of when they argue that people should be able to vote at 17 because they are old enough to drive a car, as if they are transferable skills. Is there genuinely nobody more credible in a nation of 300 million? I don't see why we have any sanctions and I hope there will be an early withdrawal of them, so that plank has no traction with me at all. I see it to be in the interests of the world that there are very good relations between USA and Russia, as well as in the interests of the USA. I do not think the former relationship of Tillerson with Putin is a downside but an upside. To an extent what is good for Exxon is also good for the USA. Why were say the last three such appointments to that office superior to Tillerson? He must be a man good at looking at the core issues and ignoring trivial irrelevance. EDIT There is middle ground between hawkish sanctions enforcement and that repellent phrase 'arse-licking'. Why would or should he be at either end? I am sure he would not be. CEOs concentrate on making things happen and getting the best out of any position. they are can-do and pragmatic. It is typical politicians that make the silly error. People like....err......Hilary! |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2016 17:11:53 GMT
Oh! And DW do you want us all to assume the Gooner Position which involves 'Arsenal-licking'? Suits me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 17:48:07 GMT
Why is Tillerson so objected to? Exxon is by some measures the largest corporation in the world. No one gets to be Chairman/CE/CEO of a global multinational without being very bright and very competent. So just what are the objections to him for that role. It is a big job with global ramifications just like what he has been doing very successfully for years? Everyone comes with baggage and past connections. He is no exception. I am a Russophile so I very much endorse a warm and close relationship with Russia. I think Russia was right over Syria. If we had grouped with Russia to give complete and unconditional support to Assad (as I recommended then and ever since) ISIS would have had more of a problem forming and all of the rebels would have been crushed and killed out thus nipping any possible civil war in the bud. Hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, far fewer refugees been created and much less physical damage caused to the towns. The nature and policies of an Assad are none of our business, but stability and prevention of civil war and prevention of terrorism is important to us. We unerringly get all this wrong and for the wrong reasons in all parties. I cannot understand the stupidity of the West other than Russia. I am also keen on having more amicable relationships with Russia, on the whole. But that does not mean that a man who stands to benefit financially from the dropping of sanctions against Russia is the man to be put in charge of...sanctions against Russia. The whole thing looks like US foreign policy is being turned not towards a positive partnership with Russia but an arsenal-kissing exercise designed to further someone's business interests. As for his business background. Well, I'm not sure that that somehow makes him any more qualified to be a chief diplomat that anyone else. It reminds me of when they argue that people should be able to vote at 17 because they are old enough to drive a car, as if they are transferable skills. Is there genuinely nobody more credible in a nation of 300 million? So kissing the Gunners rather than kissing the gunner's daughter? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 13, 2016 17:56:12 GMT
Oh! And DW do you want us all to assume the Gooner Position which involves 'Arsenal-licking'? Suits me! Bloody auto-correct! |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2016 18:06:09 GMT
I am also keen on having more amicable relationships with Russia, on the whole. But that does not mean that a man who stands to benefit financially from the dropping of sanctions against Russia is the man to be put in charge of...sanctions against Russia. The whole thing looks like US foreign policy is being turned not towards a positive partnership with Russia but an arsenal-kissing exercise designed to further someone's business interests. As for his business background. Well, I'm not sure that that somehow makes him any more qualified to be a chief diplomat that anyone else. It reminds me of when they argue that people should be able to vote at 17 because they are old enough to drive a car, as if they are transferable skills. Is there genuinely nobody more credible in a nation of 300 million? So kissing the Gunners rather than kissing the gunner's daughter? A 'La Fille du Regiment' moment and well observed by our new winner. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 13, 2016 18:06:24 GMT
Would've thought Hillary would be the Arsenal fan- she's used to missing out on the top prize.
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Post by mrhell on Dec 13, 2016 18:54:05 GMT
Big oil quite literally in power at the White House.
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 13, 2016 19:32:56 GMT
I think discussion of Trump's cabinet formation ought to be on the US politics section under International politics, and not here. The election is over. Even the recounts have stopped.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 13, 2016 19:52:12 GMT
Erm the electoral college and congressional count are still to come. Both could throw up surprises.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2016 20:32:55 GMT
Would've thought Hillary would be the Arsenal fan- she's used to missing out on the top prize. You only hurt the ones you love.................Arthur. To point and laugh is one thing................But to employ Hilary as a taunt is too cruel. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 13, 2016 21:13:53 GMT
Kanye for President 2024!
Imagine it. With Kim Kardashian as First Lady.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 13, 2016 21:26:13 GMT
Kanye for President 2024! Imagine it. With Kim Kardashian as First Lady. I would rather vote for Adam West - he has political experience as mayor of Quahog! |
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Post by Sharon on Dec 14, 2016 1:46:24 GMT
Erm the electoral college and congressional count are still to come. Both could throw up surprises. Also, a handful of states have still not verified their results.... |
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