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Post by andrew111 on Jul 21, 2021 9:44:16 GMT
Where I am the agent the Party that does that is the Tories, who in 2019 went back to 2015 as "the last time this seat was fought" rather than 2018 when they came 3rd That is awful. I know that the LDs would never stoop to that type of tactic. I hope you have recovered from your ordeal Carlton. (I did wonder if getting a smartphone might be one lesson to learn! It saved me from missing a flight to the USA once when the car broke down 10 miles from Manchester Airport and I persuaded a local taxi firm to pick me up off the hard shoulder while my wife got the car recovered) |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 21, 2021 11:14:51 GMT
Though if the Tories did finish second in the mayoral race, it is surely legitimate to mention that? Its not like its "canvass returns" or similar. I am sure we are emphasising "Tories can't win here" which is objectively true in local elections based on the data in this thread. Labour are just trying to muddy the water. Yes they are, but they are doing so using an actual real - and recent - election result. Two years ago, many of your bar charts were based on Flavible Politics projections! |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 21, 2021 13:45:38 GMT
That is awful. I know that the LDs would never stoop to that type of tactic. I hope you have recovered from your ordeal Carlton. (I did wonder if getting a smartphone might be one lesson to learn! It saved me from missing a flight to the USA once when the car broke down 10 miles from Manchester Airport and I persuaded a local taxi firm to pick me up off the hard shoulder while my wife got the car recovered) I have had an android Smartphone for years but barely know how to operate it. It does have the Uber app, but I have never activated it. I find tech a bit of a problem (and indeed the three separate TV remotes) and I have particular problems with snooth panels and the need to surf through 'stuff'. It goes too fast, doesn't move at all, changes mode, line, back to headings, etc. And I find finding and starting a progrmme takes nearly as long as watching one. The choice and availability is wonderful, but the access is daunting to point of near distress at times. It is all designed it seems for people with up-graded new model fingers that have no static and special surfing apps in their pads. I really need to be accompanied at all times by a silent teenager who manages all my tech resources. This phone came with no booklet and as it was a first I had no idea what it did or how to use it. Much of life now seems predicated on ready acces to a young person who seems to have an inplanted house programme. And Covid has been a downside as there is no one to ask. Even now I only know the name of one neighbour after over 6-months because social distancing stopped most chatting at all let alone calling. Moving house in Covid was the very pits I can tell you. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 21, 2021 13:50:55 GMT
I hope you have recovered from your ordeal Carlton. (I did wonder if getting a smartphone might be one lesson to learn! It saved me from missing a flight to the USA once when the car broke down 10 miles from Manchester Airport and I persuaded a local taxi firm to pick me up off the hard shoulder while my wife got the car recovered) I really need to be accompanied at all times by a silent teenager who manages all my tech resources. Any teenage boy will do. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 21, 2021 19:33:44 GMT
I hope you have recovered from your ordeal Carlton. (I did wonder if getting a smartphone might be one lesson to learn! It saved me from missing a flight to the USA once when the car broke down 10 miles from Manchester Airport and I persuaded a local taxi firm to pick me up off the hard shoulder while my wife got the car recovered) I have had an android Smartphone for years but barely know how to operate it. It does have the Uber app, but I have never activated it. I find tech a bit of a problem (and indeed the three separate TV remotes) and I have particular problems with snooth panels and the need to surf through 'stuff'. It goes too fast, doesn't move at all, changes mode, line, back to headings, etc. And I find finding and starting a progrmme takes nearly as long as watching one. The choice and availability is wonderful, but the access is daunting to point of near distress at times. It is all designed it seems for people with up-graded new model fingers that have no static and special surfing apps in their pads. I really need to be accompanied at all times by a silent teenager who manages all my tech resources. This phone came with no booklet and as it was a first I had no idea what it did or how to use it. Much of life now seems predicated on ready acces to a young person who seems to have an inplanted house programme. And Covid has been a downside as there is no one to ask. Even now I only know the name of one neighbour after over 6-months because social distancing stopped most chatting at all let alone calling. Moving house in Covid was the very pits I can tell you.
Of course when you really need it the phone may well be discharged or forgotten. And also Google are watching your every move which is very hard to stop.. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 21, 2021 19:35:00 GMT
I really need to be accompanied at all times by a silent teenager who manages all my tech resources. Any teenage boy will do. I think seen but not heard is the desired feature |
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Post by melthamhd94nn on Jul 21, 2021 20:40:02 GMT
I would be very surprised if the Lib Dems held this given the Labour votes in the last two elections.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 21, 2021 20:47:50 GMT
I have had an android Smartphone for years but barely know how to operate it. Does it work..... as a phone? 118118 999 881 999 119 725 3, "Taxi, Sheffield, put me through, hi, taxi from (here) to (home) please." |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 21, 2021 21:56:42 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 21, 2021 22:03:22 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. I wonder if there is an age over which mobile phone use is rare - I use mine all the time, it's always charged and I only keep the landline as it is bundled in with the internet |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 21, 2021 23:15:12 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. I wonder if there is an age over which mobile phone use is rare - I use mine all the time, it's always charged and I only keep the landline as it is bundled in with the internet Same here tbh, but when it broke unexpectedly I realised that I could no longer receive push notifications that the university insists on sending to allow access to my file space, which left me stuck until a replacement arrived and I got it working. So the damn thing is now indispensable.. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 21, 2021 23:33:26 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. Same here. Even though I've been surrounded by computers and been a software engineer since when before it was called coding, I've been happy with my Nokia 1616 "just a phone" phone for ten years, and a simplier one before that for the previous 10 years. Maybe /because/ I'm a programmer and surrounded by computers rather than /despite/. If I want to read/write emails or browse the web, I'll sit down at a proper desk at a proper computer and do it. I gave up finger painting when I learned to type when I was 8. However, last summer I did a bit of courier work, and they insisted I use a dispatch and tracking application on a mobile internet-connected device. I tried using their app on a tablet, but after it continually refused to behave and I percussively punished it over the top of the steering wheel, I snaffled an old LG smartphone my neighbour was casting off. I still barely use it for non-phone purposes. As an aside, one of the things that annoys me about mobile communication devices is that from my point of view, they are there for *me* to contact *other* *people*. *NOT* for you to phone me while I'm halfway down the stairs, or trying to navigate the supermarket, or digging the potatoes, or driving up the M1. If you want to phone me and discuss something with me PHONE ME ON THE DAMN LANDLINE which is next to the computer where ALL THE DAMN INFORMATION YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME IS. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 21, 2021 23:37:35 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. You are my dad/father-in-law & I claim my £5! 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 0:26:26 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. You are my dad/father-in-law & I claim my £5! 😁 Sounds like a very west country (or Norfolkian) arrangement  |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 22, 2021 0:40:23 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. Same here. Even though I've been surrounded by computers and been a software engineer since when before it was called coding, I've been happy with my Nokia 1616 "just a phone" phone for ten years, and a simplier one before that for the previous 10 years. Maybe /because/ I'm a programmer and surrounded by computers rather than /despite/. If I want to read/write emails or browse the web, I'll sit down at a proper desk at a proper computer and do it. I gave up finger painting when I learned to type when I was 8. However, last summer I did a bit of courier work, and they insisted I use a dispatch and tracking application on a mobile internet-connected device. I tried using their app on a tablet, but after it continually refused to behave and I percussively punished it over the top of the steering wheel, I snaffled an old LG smartphone my neighbour was casting off. I still barely use it for non-phone purposes. As an aside, one of the things that annoys me about mobile communication devices is that from my point of view, they are there for *me* to contact *other* *people*. *NOT* for you to phone me while I'm halfway down the stairs, or trying to navigate the supermarket, or digging the potatoes, or driving up the M1. If you want to phone me and discuss something with me PHONE ME ON THE DAMN LANDLINE which is next to the computer where ALL THE DAMN INFORMATION YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME IS. I got fed up with mobile phones about 10 years ago and haven't bought a new one since then. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 22, 2021 1:17:56 GMT
You are my dad/father-in-law & I claim my £5! 😁 Sounds like a very west country (or Norfolkian) arrangement When it comes to mobile phones (and one or two other things, both retired electrical engineers, both serious car & motorsports enthusiasts) they may as well be the same person! |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 22, 2021 4:50:45 GMT
Actually on mobile phones I am entirely alongside Carlton, in fact probably even more detatched from that world if anything ( 4 years further from teenage years, after all ). I remember when mobile phones came in and they were primarily phones,things you talked into, I was an early committed user. I can remember they were very useful for organising mass canvasses in those days. But when the smart phones came in they just didn't click , as you might say. At various stages my sons have given/ lent me their old phones to use, and for a few weeks I try. From time to time I am asked to give a mobile number and usually I say I don't have a mobile, as that's a lot easier to say than (a) I have a mobile but I've no idea where it is, (b)I have a mobile but it probably has no charge, (c) I have a mobile phone but I've no idea of the number. I wonder if there is an age over which mobile phone use is rare - I use mine all the time, it's always charged and I only keep the landline as it is bundled in with the internet I expect it's more personal than that. Neither of my parents have ever had mobiles but my grandad did. For me my mobile works as an on the go tablet, never had one of those, and it just simplifies sorting my sister's and mothers life out. Didn't have a mobile 10 years ago, but it's pretty much superseded the land-line, which is still there as it gives us free calls to the USA unlike the mobile package I've got. Plus smartphones are essential now, how else could we be on this site 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? |
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 22, 2021 5:22:34 GMT
My partner bought the first iPhone as soon as she could and has been addicted to them ever since. I have steadfastly resisted all attempts by her and my daughters to get one, and on the odd occasion when I have to handle the things I always screw them up. I spend all day on the landline or writing 50 or more emails so when I go home I don't want to know any more, and I never answer the landline at home either. When she bought a new TV about ten years ago it was so complicated to get my head around that I gave up, and now we don't even have one. And we have recently has to replace our washing machine of 25 years, and the new one appears to be wifi linked and requires an afternoon studying the manual (if there is one) to operate, so now if I need to do any washing I have gone back to boiling stuff on the cooker and rinsing it by hand.
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 22, 2021 5:24:45 GMT
Back on topic, I don't think it is going to be a good night for the LibDems.
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 22, 2021 6:37:25 GMT
I wonder if there is an age over which mobile phone use is rare - I use mine all the time, it's always charged and I only keep the landline as it is bundled in with the internet I expect it's more personal than that. Neither of my parents have ever had mobiles but my grandad did. For me my mobile works as an on the go tablet, never had one of those, and it just simplifies sorting my sister's and mothers life out. Didn't have a mobile 10 years ago, but it's pretty much superseded the land-line, which is still there as it gives us free calls to the USA unlike the mobile package I've got. Plus smartphones are essential now, how else could we be on this site 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? (whisper it softly) Who wants to be on this site 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? |
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