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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 23, 2021 12:34:28 GMT
Still no Lib Dem gets close to the 718 I got here in 2010. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 23, 2021 12:35:21 GMT
I have just spoken to my friend in Fortune Green, who tells me he was knocked up by the Lib Dems around 11 am, voted at lunchtime and was knocked up again by the Lib Dems at 3 pm. He voted at Emmanuel Chuch, where he encountered Lib Dem and Con tellers, but no Labour tellers. If the question is "why was he knocked up when he'd already given his number to a teller" there are several possible explanations. Data had not got back to the committee room before the knocker-up was despatched. Teller had written down number incorrectly, or misread at committee room. Less likely, but on occasion I would ignore a number reported if it didn't "fit" in some way e.g. Mrs Smith [474] usually goes to vote with neighbour Mrs Jones [475] mid-afternoon. A slip comes in with 474 on it from mid-morning, but no 475. Do I cross off Mrs Jones? No, better a second visit than run the risk of her not voting. And we will be visiting her neighbour anyway. (This does, of course, only apply where you really know your patch.) |
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Post by cogload on Jul 23, 2021 12:51:03 GMT
It's no skin off my nose whether you stay or go, but your unremittingly negative attitude to politics in general these days doesn't do much to enhance the debate. Maybe take a break and come back in a month or two? Others have done this. And during your sabbatical spend the time out of your Ivory Tower and talking to people who have worked/are working on Covid wards, and then maybe, whilst retaining your stupidity you might develop human decency. Clearly you would have preferred the NHS let Ms Jirira die than pull 18 hour shifts, with inadequate PPE, trying to save her life. And the words of Ebenezer Scrooge come ringing down the ages. Mind the ghost of Christmas Present had a perfect rejoinder. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 23, 2021 12:59:43 GMT
I know you would love to see the back of me, but that would of course always make me more determined to stay. I don't think I could have made it any clearer that as things stand,I won't be voting, and why. One can be an interested observer while concluding that there is no positive reason to vote for anything currently on offer. It's no skin off my nose whether you stay or go, but your unremittingly negative attitude to politics in general these days doesn't do much to enhance the debate. Maybe take a break and come back in a month or two? Others have done this.
Have you ever lost faith in all political leaders?
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 23, 2021 13:02:24 GMT
I have just spoken to my friend in Fortune Green, who tells me he was knocked up by the Lib Dems around 11 am, voted at lunchtime and was knocked up again by the Lib Dems at 3 pm. He voted at Emmanuel Chuch, where he encountered Lib Dem and Con tellers, but no Labour tellers. This may be telling tales out of school but the school of thought in the Labour Party is that it's far more efficient to have polling day volunteers going round on GOTV than to have them sat at the polling station taking numbers, even if it means some time is wasted going to people who have already voted. If there are immobile volunteers happy to sit on the polling station then fine, but don't tie up anyone who could be knocking on doors. I used to really hate knocking up in the evening to be systematically abused by people who had already been knocked up twice, after voting in the morning, because there were no tellers. Maybe other people are tougher than me, but I stopped knocking up, and started volunteering to tell….. And I always felt that enraging your supporters in this way probably didn’t help down the line, although agents had nothing but scorn for the future. |
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Post by dizz on Jul 23, 2021 13:05:00 GMT
Mike is developing a long list of reasons not to vote for people and parties, "featured in a TV programme" being just the latest. He will soon have closed off all options to vote for anybody at all. And then we might reasonably ask what he's doing on a forum called "Vote UK". I know you would love to see the back of me, but that would of course always make me more determined to stay. I don't think I could have made it any clearer that as things stand,I won't be voting, and why. One can be an interested observer while concluding that there is no positive reason to vote for anything currently on offer. mike treats this site as the spine he likes to run down. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2021 13:09:39 GMT
But turnouts like that say so much more about politics and disengagement from it. Most voters couldn't be bothered. Turnouts like this have been commonplace in local by-elections for decades. And? That doesn't make it any better! |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 23, 2021 13:14:57 GMT
I wonder if Labour lost due to dawn butler going round the area saying that labour were telling lies by stating that the tories were in 2nd place and just behind Labour? No, they lost because they were indeed telling lies, etc |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 23, 2021 13:17:13 GMT
Turnouts like this have been commonplace in local by-elections for decades. And? That doesn't make it any better! Not better, but unremarkable.. And not related to recent events |
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Post by grahammurray on Jul 23, 2021 13:17:53 GMT
Other than that she would have definitely got your vote, I suppose. No pro lockdown party will be getting my vote. Get a postal vote.  |
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Post by froome on Jul 23, 2021 13:18:05 GMT
As for Labour, well I think 2019 was a fluke in the ward and it seemed like it was just a 'paper candidacy' for us there. Not ONE THING to say Vote Labour on the CLP social media pages. The local CLP is a mess anyway, and I'm hoping the main people who are the problem are one of those being expelled. I know we were chanceless, but I'd want some fight. Informal "progressive alliance" in operation? I refer you back to my post on the very first page of this thread. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2021 13:18:29 GMT
And? That doesn't make it any better! Not better, but unremarkable.. And not related to recent events I wasn't suggesting it was. The long-standing malaise with regard to politics is well established - isn't it only journalists and estate agents who are disliked as much as politicians? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 23, 2021 13:21:57 GMT
Still no Lib Dem gets close to the 718 I got here in 2010. Remind me, didn't something happen nationally to the LibDem vote after May 2010? May not simply be the loss of an outstanding personality  |
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Post by froome on Jul 23, 2021 13:30:10 GMT
Re: Congresbury & Puxton by-election - you would think there wasn't one on! The Green candidate has been campaigning online, but nothing from Labour or the Tories. Not even the local CLP page is telling people in the area to vote for our candidate. Without saying too much, I know there are huge problems in our CLP but come on! It does not sound as if the Greens had to campaign very hard in Conglesbury... It is a rural ward, where personalities matter as much as party politics. There are better ways to campaign than the traditional urban ways of maximum visibility and presence. Experience and trust are more important factors in places like this. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 23, 2021 13:32:21 GMT
Still no Lib Dem gets close to the 718 I got here in 2010. Remind me, didn't something happen nationally to the LibDem vote after May 2010? May not simply be the loss of an outstanding personality Shush, don't contextualise my misleading statistic! |
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Post by justin124 on Jul 23, 2021 13:46:27 GMT
Remind me, didn't something happen nationally to the LibDem vote after May 2010? May not simply be the loss of an outstanding personality Shush, don't contextualise my misleading statistic! Also 2010 would have been a GE turnout. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 23, 2021 14:21:29 GMT
Not better, but unremarkable.. And not related to recent events I wasn't suggesting it was. The long-standing malaise with regard to politics is well established - isn't it only journalists and estate agents who are disliked as much as politicians? And lawyers... Remind me what is Sir Keir by training? |
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 23, 2021 14:24:00 GMT
It does not sound as if the Greens had to campaign very hard in Conglesbury... It is a rural ward, where personalities matter as much as party politics. There are better ways to campaign than the traditional urban ways of maximum visibility and presence. Experience and trust are more important factors in places like this. It was really a reply to the "Greens have the best campaign machinery" with Conglesbury as an example.. But done rather obliquely I concede! |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 23, 2021 14:34:50 GMT
I know you would love to see the back of me, but that would of course always make me more determined to stay. I don't think I could have made it any clearer that as things stand,I won't be voting, and why. One can be an interested observer while concluding that there is no positive reason to vote for anything currently on offer. mike treats this site as the spine he likes to run down. I am actually getting quite concerned for Mike. Rational scepticism about all existing political parties is one thing, and in our heart of hearts we can actually share something of that, some more than others. Dislike of sentimental attitudes, we can all recognise that especially when it gets really mawkish and irrational,and about things we don't happen to care so deeply about ourselves. A hard-nosed critique of the government's response to the Covid crisis- yes we could sure do with some of that, though I think there needs to be a recognition there are no easy answers. But increasingly I find Mike's response to all these questions over the top. Political parties are not just fallible human institutions, they seem like the embodiment of evil. Dislike of sentimentality seems to be veering into mysogyny- he no longer seems to accept what it is to be human. And something that has already killed 4 million people should be accepted rather than fought with the tools at our disposal, however imperfect. Well, humanity is a disposable asset, isn't it? Am I reading him wrong? |
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Post by maxque on Jul 23, 2021 14:45:55 GMT
mike treats this site as the spine he likes to run down. I am actually getting quite concerned for Mike. Rational scepticism about all existing political parties is one thing, and in our heart of hearts we can actually share something of that, some more than others. Dislike of sentimental attitudes, we can all recognise that especially when it gets really mawkish and irrational,and about things we don't happen to care so deeply about ourselves. A hard-nosed critique of the government's response to the Covid crisis- yes we could sure do with some of that, though I think there needs to be a recognition there are no easy answers. But increasingly I find Mike's response to all these questions over the top. Political parties are not just fallible human institutions, they seem like the embodiment of evil. Dislike of sentimentality seems to be veering into mysogyny- he no longer seems to accept what it is to be human. And something that has already killed 4 million people should be accepted rather than fought with the tools at our disposal, however imperfect. Well, humanity is a disposable asset, isn't it? Am I reading him wrong? He is just a nihilist who doesn't care if millions of people die, he is just a selfish person being who wants to go drink a latte without a mask. |
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