Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 18, 2021 13:45:53 GMT
Nope - never. www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/ward/7365/They came close a few times, but the only wards we ever held at district level were Nelson, Mancroft, Town Close, Thorpe Hamlet and Wensum. Sewell and Mile Cross were won at County level in 2009 but never at district. Unlikely that they would have won on 6th May. I rather suspect that's true and indeed made that point in the Green room this morning - I would suspect that the deferral allowed a lot more attention here that would have been occupied with Nelson, Mancroft and Thorpe Hamlet on 6th May. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 18, 2021 14:17:02 GMT
TBH, i think its more the case that the Green vote in East Garioch is overwhelmingly a Martin Ford vote rather than a Green vote. Disappointed but not surprised just how much that is the case. that's actually an amusing drawback of STV for the smaller parties given the way they're often structured around one 'strong campaigner' perennial candidate locally - you can't run him in the by-election if he's already on the council! In my experience you are not allowed to run an experienced sitting Councillor in a by election under FPTP either.. 😉 |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 18, 2021 15:12:14 GMT
Con hold Elham Valley
Con 1809
Green 1335
Lab 247
Ind 241
Turnout 25%
Greens did well!
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 18, 2021 15:49:34 GMT
East Garloch first preference numbers Con 1240. 45.5% SNP 963. 35.3% LD 281. 10.3% Green 130. 4.8% Lab 111. 4.1% In a four-seat ordinary election those votes would give the Conservatives and the SNP two seats each. |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Jun 18, 2021 16:09:32 GMT
NORWICH Sewell Champion, Gary Christopher (The Green Party) 1,154 McCartney-Gray, Laura Elizabeth (Labour Party) 995 Jones, Simon Mark (The Conservative Party Candidate) 316 Arundell, Helen Bernadette (Liberal Democrat Focus Team) 39 So just shy of 150 people switched their vote between Green and Labour in the County and City elections and thereby switch the result. Their reasons would be interesting. The aspect that stood out to me was that in Norfolk we have a Conservative controlled council with Labour as the largest opposition group. In Norwich, where the Greens won, Labour are in control with the Greens as the primary opposition. Or do we think it is was simply that the Labour sitting councillor in Norfolk had that always difficult to quantify personal vote that prevented what would otherwise have been a second green gain? |
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Post by froome on Jun 18, 2021 16:59:45 GMT
NORWICH Sewell Champion, Gary Christopher (The Green Party) 1,154 McCartney-Gray, Laura Elizabeth (Labour Party) 995 Jones, Simon Mark (The Conservative Party Candidate) 316 Arundell, Helen Bernadette (Liberal Democrat Focus Team) 39 So just shy of 150 people switched their vote between Green and Labour in the County and City elections and thereby switch the result. Their reasons would be interesting. The aspect that stood out to me was that in Norfolk we have a Conservative controlled council with Labour as the largest opposition group. In Norwich, where the Greens won, Labour are in control with the Greens as the primary opposition. Or do we think it is was simply that the Labour sitting councillor in Norfolk had that always difficult to quantify personal vote that prevented what would otherwise have been a second green gain? has already suggested, from local knowledge, that the second may have been most important. Both factors may have played a part, but for some people it could also be as simple, as has been asked by yellowperil, that alphabetisation may be responsible, with voters who were willing to split their votes just opting for the first of Green or Labour alphabetically in both elections. |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 18, 2021 17:24:57 GMT
East Garloch first preference numbers Con 1240. 45.5% SNP 963. 35.3% LD 281. 10.3% Green 130. 4.8% Lab 111. 4.1% In a four-seat ordinary election those votes would give the Conservatives and the SNP two seats each. Actually I suspect that it might end up very close between the SNP and the Lib Dems on those votes for the final seat. In reality, it's probably down to if Martin Ford re-stands - if he does, it would probably end up as 2 Con, 1 SNP, 1 Grn next year, if he doesn't 2 Con and 1 SNP with the final seat very close... |
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 18, 2021 19:23:54 GMT
In a four-seat ordinary election those votes would give the Conservatives and the SNP two seats each. Actually I suspect that it might end up very close between the SNP and the Lib Dems on those votes for the final seat. In reality, it's probably down to if Martin Ford re-stands - if he does, it would probably end up as 2 Con, 1 SNP, 1 Grn next year, if he doesn't 2 Con and 1 SNP with the final seat very close... I'll have a look at this when the preference profile comes out. The two-party preferred was C 1394 SNP 1146. |
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Post by justin124 on Jun 19, 2021 20:18:16 GMT
I have now been told that Natalie Bennett - the former Green Party leader - was in action in Sewell on Polling Day - including working as a Teller! The national party appears to have attached a great deal of importance to those two deferred elections.
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Post by wallington on Jun 21, 2021 9:56:28 GMT
I have now been told that Natalie Bennett - the former Green Party leader - was in action in Sewell on Polling Day - including working as a Teller! The national party appears to have attached a great deal of importance to those two deferred elections. Yeah, The Greens threw quite a bit at the by-elections, Amelia Womack (the party's deputy leader) was also out campaigning on the run up to election day. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 12, 2021 11:11:28 GMT
As a footnote to the Felbridge by-election:
More or less a month after that event. I found myself last night visiting (and staying overnight- only the second night away from home since the lock down started to ease) in, of all places to be, Felbridge. Being at a loose end with not much to do , apart from an evening watching some football match on the telly and listening to whoops of joy and howls of despair coming out of the pub, I did wander round the village for a while to make my own assessment of the sort of place it really was.
On the whole, it was more a confirmation of all my prejudices about a Surrey commuter village. Very green, in the sense of very leafy and beset by immaculately manicured lawns, so not in that sense very Green at all. Houses looking very expensive, not just from where they happened to be, but they would have looked very plush anywhere. I saw no houses at all which looked as though they were for ordinary folk.Many of the modern little enclosures gated, and those that weren't physically gated looked as though they would have been psychologically. I did find the village centre, with the primary school, village hall and just the three shops dispensing all the services one would possibly need: one general store , one hairdressers, and a "gate doctor" selling and repairing... electronic gates.
Not alogether surpring the national parties made no progress here- not Labour, not Lib Dems, not even Conservatives making any headway in a contest between two local Independents. It all makes sense now.
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