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Post by johnloony on Mar 16, 2021 20:30:22 GMT
Result of the Hartlepool by-election, 1st June 1943:
T. G. Greenwell (Conservative) 13,333
E. F. Burton (Common Wealth) 3,634
O. Lupton (Independent People) 2,351
W. R. Hipwell (Independent Progressive) 1,510
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 16, 2021 20:39:37 GMT
Result of the Hartlepool by-election, 1st June 1943: T. G. Greenwell (Conservative) 13,333 E. F. Burton (Common Wealth) 3,634 O. Lupton (Independent People) 2,351 W. R. Hipwell (Independent Progressive) 1,510 Wasn't the constituency called The Hartlepools then? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 16, 2021 20:39:45 GMT
As an aside we largely have John Major to blame/thank for the steady fall in the number of by-elections. In 1992 he introduced a more generous (many would say over-generous) pension scheme for MPs. Prior to then, MPs would literally work until they dropped because they couldn't afford to retire - there was even an MPs' hardship fund for retired MPs who found themselves in straitened circumstances. The fund still exists, MPs pay £2pcm from their pay, can be used for ex members or the dependents of deceased members. Not sure if it would be FOI-able but it would be interesting to see if it ever pays out. On the number of by-elections, the number of Tory incumbency deaths post 1997 has been noted on here before. I did once tott up the deaths between 1997 and 2001 of Tory MPs defeated (not retired) in 1997 and it was IIRC four or five which over a four year period is not insignificant. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 16, 2021 20:56:20 GMT
Tories 1/2 on, Labour 13/8. That feels the wrong way round to me; no Tory history here, few Councillors, historically weak. Unless the bookies know that Laura Pidcock will be the Labour candidate in which case the Tory price is generous... Labour's chance of shooting themselves in the foot with the voters is not so much Pidcock, but Dr Paul Williams OBE. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 16, 2021 21:03:43 GMT
The Tees Tunnel, connecting Hartlepool with Redcar, yes, it's a winner. Fails the CBA test even more comprehensively than the Humber Bridge, but it's only money after all. Don't mock it, there are actually campaigns for a lower Tees fixed crossing. With a bridge being thought difficult to tie into the existing road network, a tunnel has been mooted. The arguments are that it would open up the Saltholme area to development. Yes indeed, and you and I have both read about that on another site that we both frequent, but the tunnel is so much wackier as an idea. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 16, 2021 21:21:35 GMT
The good news on this, is that I expect there to be a significantly smaller number of people who can claim to be "lifelong" Labour voters given the 2019 general election results. Very true, but that didn’t stop the media a few months back (when Labour and the Conservatives were neck and neck) finding people for focus groups to claim they voted for Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party in 2019 but were seriously considering voting Tory now. Labour could stand no candidates at the next election and by the following one we would still be inundated with vox pops of elderly pensioners in town centres claiming they are going to break the habit of a lifetime by not voting Labour this time. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Mar 16, 2021 22:54:23 GMT
There is something I find very noble about dying in post.
Not for councillors! The number I have seen clinging to the role when their minds and/or their bodies are past it . . . For something ceremonial or honorary then ok let them keep going until they drop but when there’s an actual job of work to be done - and other people are relying on your competence - then you have to step aside before you lose the plot. Being a councillor, MP or whatever is not just about you, it’s about the residents who put you there (and pay your salary / allowance). |
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Post by redtony on Mar 16, 2021 23:00:00 GMT
King Arthur in the shape of the socialist Labour Party will stand and get more than a few votes.
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Post by hullenedge on Mar 16, 2021 23:34:58 GMT
Estimated ward breakdown for GE19 in the tweet.
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Post by jamie on Mar 17, 2021 0:23:56 GMT
Estimated ward breakdown for GE19 in the tweet. Those estimates look... dodgy. Presumably a case of overestimating the unevenness of votes based on council results (particularly if they used 2019). |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 17, 2021 0:29:52 GMT
King Arthur in the shape of the socialist Labour Party will stand and get more than a few votes. Eh? He's 83. If the SLP had a candidate (which I doubt), it would be someone younger - and probably more local. |
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Post by edgbaston on Mar 17, 2021 0:45:45 GMT
Very very quick timetable for Labour selection - applications closing tomorrow at 5pm, selection on Friday or Saturday. Good. But doesn't this rather suggest the imposition of so many candidates in 2017 and 2019 without proper selections was not necessary? Not a right-left issue, more a union stitch-up issue. I hope there will be a reasonable choice for the local party Absolutely. I said so at the time, not sure if you agreed? |
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 17, 2021 2:32:47 GMT
1) Why did he resign now? Because he is a quitter and not a fighter. Sorry, it had to be done.How come nobody has mentioned Anna Turley (Redcar 2015-19) yet, she still appears to live nearby though doesn't seem to be local originally - not sure how much that contributed to her loss or if she had a good personal vote or not, but surely would be more in tune with the area as opposed to a fresh parachute job though lost on a large swing (9000 Lab majority -> 3,000 Con majority!) so perhaps I've answered my own question there. Though is not a Corbynite unlike Pidcock (whom I still can't fathom why she was ramped up so much as a future leadership contender if she hadn't lost, I doubt that most people have heard of her and clearly wasn't and despite being local also managed to lose on quite a large swing, from an over 8,000 majority so not convinced how locally popular she would have been). |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 17, 2021 4:32:55 GMT
Whatever happened to the previous MP for Hartlepool Iain Wright? He was one of the bright young things of the party for a while.
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Post by jamie on Mar 17, 2021 9:30:20 GMT
Though is not a Corbynite unlike Pidcock (whom I still can't fathom why she was ramped up so much as a future leadership contender if she hadn't lost, I doubt that most people have heard of her and clearly wasn't and despite being local also managed to lose on quite a large swing Pidcock definitely wasn’t local. She lost her Northumberland council seat weeks before she won a Durham constituency. |
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 17, 2021 10:13:38 GMT
Whatever happened to the previous MP for Hartlepool Iain Wright? He was one of the bright young things of the party for a while. Not everyone finds being an MP rewarding, particularly in opposition. Wright works for the Institute of Chartered Accountants, though I’ve no idea what he actually does. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 17, 2021 10:44:40 GMT
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Post by islington on Mar 17, 2021 10:53:41 GMT
Not for councillors! The number I have seen clinging to the role when their minds and/or their bodies are past it . . . For something ceremonial or honorary then ok let them keep going until they drop but when there’s an actual job of work to be done - and other people are relying on your competence - then you have to step aside before you lose the plot. Being a councillor, MP or whatever is not just about you, it’s about the residents who put you there (and pay your salary / allowance). Well, of course said residents do always have the option of not re-electing a councillor whom old age has rendered ineffective. |
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Post by johng on Mar 17, 2021 10:59:30 GMT
How much has actually been wagered? I can't imagine it's much which obviously skews things. I'm surprised, though, how far ahead of the Conservatives Labour are in this betting market. According to some, this is a certain Conservative gain.
Had a look at the 'Northern Independence Party' too. Their Twitter comes across as a bunch of crackpots and weirdos. Though they have raised £1350 already with a crowdfunder. twitter.com/FreeNorthNow |
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Post by islington on Mar 17, 2021 11:00:47 GMT
Whatever happened to the previous MP for Hartlepool Iain Wright? He was one of the bright young things of the party for a while. Not everyone finds being an MP rewarding, particularly in opposition. Wright works for the Institute of Chartered Accountants, though I’ve no idea what he actually does. In my day job I actually had some indirect dealings with him when he was a minister towards the tail-end of the New Labour era. I found him highly effective and well on top of his brief - irritatingly so, from my point of view, since I didn't agree with what he was trying to do.
I don't think he was very much in sympathy with the glorious Corbynite red dawn that overtook Labour after 2015. He was one of several Labour MPs that announced their retirements in the run-up to the the 2017 GE and Labour's widely-anticipated hammering therein (which of course failed to materialize - he'd almost certainly have held the seat if he'd fought it).
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