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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 16, 2021 12:47:40 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 16, 2021 12:49:29 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 16, 2021 12:51:25 GMT
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Post by jamie on Mar 16, 2021 12:52:05 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. Wasn’t he the one Labour MP who voted against a customs union or something similar because he viewed it as insufficiently remain? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 12:52:34 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. What's the point, that just looks shifty. It risks making it an issue again. His opponents and the media bringing it up. Better to have left them and just said he accepted we'd left. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 16, 2021 12:58:16 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. Wasn’t he the one Labour MP who voted against a customs union or something similar because he viewed it as insufficiently remain? I recall something like that, but so much has happened since then I've also forgotten who it was.🤣 |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 16, 2021 12:58:26 GMT
Hartlepool had the second highest Tory + Brexit Party percentage in a seat that wasn't won by the Tories. Barnsley East was slightly higher. True, but most of the Brexit vote was down to people who couldn't hack the idea of voting Tory |
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Post by Ron Swanson on Mar 16, 2021 13:00:58 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. What's the point, that just looks shifty. It risks making it an issue again. His opponents and the media bringing it up. Better to have left them and just said he accepted we'd left. Agree. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 16, 2021 13:07:48 GMT
Guido has just been reporting that he's deleted his pro second referendum tweets. What's the point, that just looks shifty. It risks making it an issue again. His opponents and the media bringing it up. Better to have left them and just said he accepted we'd left. It would be pretty stupid to select him anyway given his particularly hardline stance. Best choosing a local. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 16, 2021 13:08:24 GMT
True, but most of the Brexit vote was down to people who couldn't hack the idea of voting Tory IIRC a plurality of Brexit Party voters were 2017 Conservative voters, with most leavers who abandoned Labour just switching direct to the Tories. Specifically in Hartlepool the Tories actually lost 5% in 2019 and the local UKIP etc vote was very anti-Labour so on paper looks good for the Tories this time round (though as I said earlier in the thread the Brexit Party vote may be quite swingy in a different national environment). |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 16, 2021 13:12:21 GMT
True, but most of the Brexit vote was down to people who couldn't hack the idea of voting Tory IIRC a plurality of Brexit Party voters were 2017 Conservative voters, with most leavers who abandoned Labour just switching direct to the Tories. Specifically in Hartlepool the Tories actually lost 5% in 2019 and the local UKIP etc vote was very anti-Labour so on paper looks good for the Tories this time round (though as I said earlier in the thread the Brexit Party vote may be quite swingy in a different national environment). The figures do not suggest that Hartlepool was particularly typical, though - few other places had a Brexit Party vote of that size, so I don't think it's possible to assume that most had come from the Tories in 2019 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 16, 2021 13:13:50 GMT
Worth bearing in mind that the Metro Mayor for Tees Valley will be elected on the same day with the Conservative incumbent polling very well. Might be a bit of a coat-tails effect for the Conservative candidate, but the Brexit/Reform party vote will be key of course.
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Post by jamie on Mar 16, 2021 13:14:19 GMT
It would be pretty stupid to select him anyway given his particularly hardline stance. Best choosing a local. Normally would agree, but the local Labour Party seems to be unpopular and constantly infighting so someone from nearby (obviously not Williams) may be better. |
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Post by andrea on Mar 16, 2021 13:17:08 GMT
I was aware of Hill's problems because he was temporally suspended from the parliamentary party in 2019.
I wonder which new developments have emerged now to force him out with immediate effects now rather than continuing until the end of the term (when he will be in low 60s) possibly with the whip suspended.
If Williams is selected here, will he resign as PCC candidate? Or will he try both (and Labour can potentially lose both)? I would think it can be electorally negative.
Pidcock is not a good choice either. And I suppose the NEC panel wouldn't be included to shortlist her.
I suppose there isn't much choice among local Cllrs given how dysfunctional the labour group has been in the past.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 16, 2021 13:18:52 GMT
Did anyone ever think they'd see a Labour figure or CLP issue a statement containing the following complaint?
"The Tories only care about Middlesbrough".
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 16, 2021 13:21:08 GMT
If Farage hadn't just stood down from politics this might have been a prime opportunity for him to finally get into parliament.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 16, 2021 13:22:22 GMT
I hope Boris keeps us in lockdown if for no other reason than to minimise the number of vox pops with people who have not voted Labour for years, have no intention of voting Labour, but are nonetheless interviewed in their droves to tell us that Labour are in danger of losing LIFELONG LABOUR VOTERS in the RED WALL. They seemed pretty good forecasters of what happened in 2019, to be fair. Vox pops are never a good forecaster of anything. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 16, 2021 13:24:19 GMT
It's a shame we no longer have Andrew Neil's four hour by election specials. JFTFY You youngsters didn't see the masters (Hanna/Rawnsley) in action. Neil is a Hartlepool FC to their Barcelona. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 16, 2021 13:27:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 13:29:53 GMT
How was Peter Mandelson perceived in Hartlepool? Was he a good constituency MP?
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