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Post by therealriga on Mar 26, 2021 19:14:17 GMT
What is the difference between the North East Party and the Northern Independence Party? The latter are the imperialists who want to include Lancashire in their new state. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 26, 2021 19:16:16 GMT
What is the difference between the North East Party and the Northern Independence Party? The latter are the imperialists who want to include Lancashire in their new state. And Cheshire. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 26, 2021 19:36:26 GMT
What is the difference between the North East Party and the Northern Independence Party? 45 degrees? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 26, 2021 19:37:55 GMT
The latter are the imperialists who want to include Lancashire in their new state. And Cheshire. Cheshire's not The North, it's the arghh gak.. NO CARRIER. |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 26, 2021 20:01:21 GMT
Jill Mortimer has been selected by the Conservatives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:09:03 GMT
According to mum the Northern Independence Party are quite active in and around Keighley, and even have enough resources and activists to deliver leaflets reasonably often. I wonder if that's Thelma Walker's influence over wider West Yorks?
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Post by matureleft on Mar 26, 2021 20:30:12 GMT
Jill Mortimer has been selected by the Conservatives. Leeds East last time? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 26, 2021 20:50:19 GMT
That went well then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:53:12 GMT
hahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 20:58:26 GMT
Their potential is so low I think it would be physically impossible to underestimate them |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 26, 2021 21:08:18 GMT
The latter are the imperialists who want to include Lancashire in their new state. And Cheshire. They're generously offering local plebiscites to 'border' areas that might like to be included in their Independent North (eg. Chesterfield, Staffordshire Moorlands) but don't seem to be offering the same to areas like Cheshire or North Lincolnshire which might like not to be |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 21:48:22 GMT
The distribution of activists in 2019 by Labour/momentum also appears to have been a disaster. It was widely reported that activists were diverted to Altrincham and Sale W instead of Bury North when the latter was crying out for more help... they went on to lose by 105 votes and didn’t come any closer in ASW... the mind boggles. If they didn’t win in 97, why was it even a target in ‘19 when they were behind in polls? I find it even less likely Brady will ever lose with his national presence in light of the Tiers scandal and standing up for the area, ironically on the same side as Burnham. Unless there are some who feel his lockdown skepticism is too much. I’m not sure if there could have been any such blunders in the North East one would hope (other than general complacency)... or what next, don’t tell me they sent all their activists to Hexham?! I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent a lot to Middlesbrough South but that would make sense given the closeness of the ‘17 defeat though the ‘19 result is just embarrassing. I'm sure I have said about this before - first, Momentum really weren't 'directing people' in that sense at all. Activists end up going to the seats they can easily get to - and in the case of younger activists in cities, that means by public transport. In this area, Southport could have done with more help, but the reality is that if you live in South Liverpool, its a lot easier to get to the Wirral. Indeed, while Southport does have a train line, the Labour HQ wasn't actually anywhere near it (yes, I did bring this to their attention), so it wasn;t actually a post-day in the office viable proposition Activists really don't get 'sent' to places in the main - its much more a case of 'oh, I've got time tonight, where shall I go?' and they go to the place its easier for them to get to. If car pools are organised, then its down to the driver and where they are heading to, and you go along with them. They do try and tell activists where they'd like them to go though, through emails and the find events pages on the website. It's no coincidence that in 2018 I was bombarded with emails from SW Labour encouraging me to got Swindon but got nothing asking me to go to e.g. Cheltenham |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 26, 2021 21:55:40 GMT
I'm sure I have said about this before - first, Momentum really weren't 'directing people' in that sense at all. Activists end up going to the seats they can easily get to - and in the case of younger activists in cities, that means by public transport. In this area, Southport could have done with more help, but the reality is that if you live in South Liverpool, its a lot easier to get to the Wirral. Indeed, while Southport does have a train line, the Labour HQ wasn't actually anywhere near it (yes, I did bring this to their attention), so it wasn;t actually a post-day in the office viable proposition Activists really don't get 'sent' to places in the main - its much more a case of 'oh, I've got time tonight, where shall I go?' and they go to the place its easier for them to get to. If car pools are organised, then its down to the driver and where they are heading to, and you go along with them. They do try and tell activists where they'd like them to go though, through emails and the find events pages on the website. It's no coincidence that in 2018 I was bombarded with emails from SW Labour encouraging me to got Swindon but got nothing asking me to go to e.g. Cheltenham Oh, true, but I've only ever gone to those places if I could get there easily. In the last election I did a bit of telephone canvassing but the response was so bad re Brexit and I didn't agree with a second referendum so only did a couple of evenings |
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Post by hullenedge on Mar 26, 2021 22:04:52 GMT
They do try and tell activists where they'd like them to go though, through emails and the find events pages on the website. It's no coincidence that in 2018 I was bombarded with emails from SW Labour encouraging me to got Swindon but got nothing asking me to go to e.g. Cheltenham Oh, true, but I've only ever gone to those places if I could get there easily. In the last election I did a bit of telephone canvassing but the response was so bad re Brexit and I didn't agree with a second referendum so only did a couple of evenings Given the antics of the Mo activists in Calder Valley last time they must have swung a few voters our way. Loud mouth, strutting in the road (nearly knocked one down) students without a clue where they were. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 26, 2021 22:13:51 GMT
Oh, true, but I've only ever gone to those places if I could get there easily. In the last election I did a bit of telephone canvassing but the response was so bad re Brexit and I didn't agree with a second referendum so only did a couple of evenings Given the antics of the Mo activists in Calder Valley last time they must have swung a few voters our way. Loud mouth, strutting in the road (nearly knocked one down) students without a clue where they were. That does read rather like a stereotypical caricature of what a right winger thinks about "left wing students" |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 27, 2021 1:01:11 GMT
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 27, 2021 1:46:47 GMT
The distribution of activists in 2019 by Labour/momentum also appears to have been a disaster. It was widely reported that activists were diverted to Altrincham and Sale W instead of Bury North when the latter was crying out for more help... they went on to lose by 105 votes and didn’t come any closer in ASW... the mind boggles. If they didn’t win in 97, why was it even a target in ‘19 when they were behind in polls? I find it even less likely Brady will ever lose with his national presence in light of the Tiers scandal and standing up for the area, ironically on the same side as Burnham. Unless there are some who feel his lockdown skepticism is too much. I’m not sure if there could have been any such blunders in the North East one would hope (other than general complacency)... or what next, don’t tell me they sent all their activists to Hexham?! I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent a lot to Middlesbrough South but that would make sense given the closeness of the ‘17 defeat though the ‘19 result is just embarrassing. I'm sure I have said about this before - first, Momentum really weren't 'directing people' in that sense at all. Activists end up going to the seats they can easily get to - and in the case of younger activists in cities, that means by public transport. In this area, Southport could have done with more help, but the reality is that if you live in South Liverpool, its a lot easier to get to the Wirral. Indeed, while Southport does have a train line, the Labour HQ wasn't actually anywhere near it (yes, I did bring this to their attention), so it wasn;t actually a post-day in the office viable proposition Activists really don't get 'sent' to places in the main - its much more a case of 'oh, I've got time tonight, where shall I go?' and they go to the place its easier for them to get to. If car pools are organised, then its down to the driver and where they are heading to, and you go along with them. I appreciate the clarification with regards to people not being directed, but I wouldn't say ASW is closer to the city centre than Bury North, probably equidistant and Bury may even be closer, both are termini of the Metrolink line of course. Also I'd like to think activists should have been educated enough to see which seat is more 'at risk' and more important/realistic before going on a journey out to them. In your case study going to Wirral was absolutely the right choice - given the polls - gaining Southport should no longer have been priority and Wirral South/West could have been losses but were spectacular holds so that paid off. However to the Greater Manchester activists: I'm sorry but looking at the polls at the time, going out to ASW is equivalent to going to Tatton in my book in terms of a chance of a gain. Bolton West I would understand. Then again, Bolton NE was a painfully close loss too - I'd be surprised if it wasn't clear towards polling day that Ms Hilling wasn't going to regain West, so resources should have been directed to NE. Back to Bury, I don't think James Frith was particularly hostile to Corbyn (in case that was a factor in activists' decisions?), though he didn't align himself to him either, that's what endeared him to the area so well and why he lost so narrowly. I do understand though that ASW is right next door to a reliable Labour (not sure if it's Momentumite-heavy) area, Stretford and Urmston, but then again Bury isn't all that far from Salford and Eccles either. Anyway, back to the North East - though the number of surrounding Labour seats and voters is now diminished, the 'on the ground' operation is down to local members/supporters' enthusiasm right, who should still be around? Will there be an unprecedented mobilisation from across the NE (and maybe beyond) to ensure they win? As for my prediction, I'm predicting a majority on par with Peterborough 2019, but with Conservatives in second of course, however unlike Peterborough all other parties to splinter off and unlikely to retain deposits. Interestingly the LDs kept their deposit (12%) in P'borough though it was a strong leave area, yet narrowly lost it (4.9%!) at the GE, this time I don't see them anywhere near that. Brexit Party got even less at the GE (4.4%) despite being the narrow runners-up at the BE, which is why the Brexit/Reform vote will similarly melt as people realise it's a two horse race. It's clear though from Peterborough and should be reassuring in Hartlepool that a scandal surrounding the outgoing MP doesn't seem to disproportionately damage the chances of the new candidate in the following (by)election. |
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Post by peterski on Mar 27, 2021 7:17:59 GMT
Seems to be a universally underwhelmed response to the Tory candidate selection . Yet it is important for the Conservatives to run a proper campaign for the by-election as the Tees Valley mayoralty election on the same day is on a knife edge and votes in marginal wards in Hartlepool will be vital.
That being said, running well-known locals hasn't been too fruitful for the Tories in the past . Thinking back to Graham Robb in 1992 ( local radio DJ) and Gus Robinson in 2001 ( owner of ubiquitous Hartlepool construction company) both of whose notoriety failed to boost the vote.
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 27, 2021 7:20:27 GMT
Far be it for me to complain about dodgy barcharts, but really.... |
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 27, 2021 7:22:12 GMT
Bootle has actually had a Tory MP, and in the lifetime of at least two regulars here. (and there was another in that category until yesterday) That post has not made us feel better I can assure you. How do you think I feel then? |
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