mboy
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Post by mboy on Mar 20, 2021 17:50:59 GMT
I've said it before, people need to grow up across the political spectrum about OLD tweets/social media posts especially. The hilarious thing is he has already been an MP since that tweet and no one gave a shit then. It's just an indicator of how utterly fucked up the Western world has become since 2017 that suddenly this tweet - that is inappropriate at most - is now a big deal. PS I also don't really think it will be a big deal for voters either. This is Hartlepool, not fricking Grenwich Village. |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 20, 2021 18:23:13 GMT
The only people that actually make anything of them are the opposition. Voters have absolutely no interest in and most likely no knowledge of most of these “controversies”. In this case, most of the fuss seems to be coming from his own side. To be fair, it would be hard for the Tories to make much of it whilst keeping a straight face given all the things their current leader has come out with in the past. It's a non-story really. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 20, 2021 18:36:26 GMT
Don't disagree with the general premise, but I was surprised to see Hartlepool(s) has only been a Labour seat since 1964 and was a Tory seat before 1945 and from '59-64. Does anyone know why this was as AFAIK it was an industrial steel-making town not dissimilar to Redcar at this time? The successful Tory candidate in 1959 was Commander Kerans of Amethyst fame. He did not stand again in 1964. Kerans got in basically on his war record, as my dad never tires of telling me. ClevelandYorks: this is not Redcar. West Hartlepool was a maritime centre first and foremost - it was literally founded to serve the port, and the major industry up to the Second World War was shipbuilding and coal export. I'm going to need to look into what was happening here between the wars in some detail, though. It's not a boundary issue - the constituency boundary hasn't significantly changed since the two Hartlepools were enfranchised in 1868. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 20, 2021 18:38:44 GMT
I've said it before, people need to grow up across the political spectrum about OLD tweets/social media posts especially. The hilarious thing is he has already been an MP since that tweet and no one gave a shit then. It's just an indicator of how utterly fucked up the Western world has become since 2017 that suddenly this tweet - that is inappropriate at most - is now a big deal. PS I also don't really think it will be a big deal for voters either. This is Hartlepool, not fricking Grenwich Village. It's an indicator of why you should not look at Twitter |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 19:14:51 GMT
The only people that actually make anything of them are the opposition. Voters have absolutely no interest in and most likely no knowledge of most of these “controversies”. In this case, most of the fuss seems to be coming from his own side. To be fair, it would be hard for the Tories to make much of it whilst keeping a straight face given all the things their current leader has come out with in the past. It's a non-story really. That doesn't usually stop them to be fair |
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 20, 2021 19:29:57 GMT
I've said it before, people need to grow up across the political spectrum about OLD tweets/social media posts especially. The hilarious thing is he has already been an MP since that tweet and no one gave a shit then. yeah, but back then he had been selected in a meaningful sense of the word. That's what it's actually about, isn't it. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 20, 2021 19:32:03 GMT
The successful Tory candidate in 1959 was Commander Kerans of Amethyst fame. He did not stand again in 1964. Kerans got in basically on his war record, as my dad never tires of telling me. ClevelandYorks : this is not Redcar. West Hartlepool was a maritime centre first and foremost - it was literally founded to serve the port, and the major industry up to the Second World War was shipbuilding and coal export. I'm going to need to look into what was happening here between the wars in some detail, though. It's not a boundary issue - the constituency boundary hasn't significantly changed since the two Hartlepools were enfranchised in 1868. I agree with you about the nature of the town, but Kerans was elected on the back of the post-war event 'The Yangtze Incident' about which there was a quite good film. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 20, 2021 19:44:45 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Mar 20, 2021 19:48:32 GMT
The North East Party (who have councillors in Durham UA) will also be standing:
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 20, 2021 19:51:53 GMT
All we need now is Nick the Incredible Flying Brick, Count Binface, and Lord Buckethead. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 20, 2021 19:59:16 GMT
All we need now is Nick the Incredible Flying Brick, Count Binface, and Lord Buckethead. We are likely to get at least one of those three standing in the Hartlepool by-election as well. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 20, 2021 21:15:50 GMT
Although one of them has just got a party registered to stand for Mayor of London so may not show up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 21:51:23 GMT
The North East Party (who have councillors in Durham UA) will also be standing: I would guess they will mostly pick off the generic "Not Labour" vote |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 20, 2021 23:34:40 GMT
The question is where, if anywhere, the Brexit vote will go, and whether any of the non- LabCon candidates get any traction or not
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 21, 2021 10:05:11 GMT
The only people that actually make anything of them are the opposition. Voters have absolutely no interest in and most likely no knowledge of most of these “controversies”. In this case, most of the fuss seems to be coming from his own side. To be fair, it would be hard for the Tories to make much of it whilst keeping a straight face given all the things their current leader has come out with in the past. It's a non-story really. 'Own party', yes. 'Own side' is these days increasingly questionable. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 21, 2021 12:07:51 GMT
I have to say, 10 year old tweets which are, at best, daft, should not be disqualifying. That somebody, who has purported to spend her career fighting for a society which believes in freedom and the recognition that people can change, to make such a vicious attack ( as I heard on the broadcast) and offering no recognition of people maturing, tells you more about internal party politics than common sense. Chakrabati is a vile hypocrite who only owes her status as a parliamentarian to her whitewashing of anti-semitism in the Corbyn led Labour party. She was once widely respected across the political spectrum but now has zero credibility outside the small faction of the Labour party that sponsored her (as you hint at). As Tim suggests, this kind of criticism from this kind of source is likely to act as a de facto endorsement for many normal people who are voters in Hartlepool. If I was one of them, this kind of bullshit would almost incline me to vote for him myself Without wanting to get too off topic, if this had actually been the case then her report would hardly have been cited repeatedly (and in an approving manner) by the more recent EHRC offering. Its not being exactly what some right wingers wanted to hear on the topic isn't necessarily the same thing...... For the record I have never been a huge fan of hers going back to her Liberty days (when she seemed to love the limelight just a bit *too* much) and of course I agree that giving her a peerage in the manner that the then party leadership did was utterly horrendous optics, and all too likely to lead to the conclusion highlighted above  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 21, 2021 12:27:42 GMT
Chakrabati is a vile hypocrite who only owes her status as a parliamentarian to her whitewashing of anti-semitism in the Corbyn led Labour party. She was once widely respected across the political spectrum but now has zero credibility outside the small faction of the Labour party that sponsored her (as you hint at). As Tim suggests, this kind of criticism from this kind of source is likely to act as a de facto endorsement for many normal people who are voters in Hartlepool. If I was one of them, this kind of bullshit would almost incline me to vote for him myself Without wanting to get too off topic, if this had actually been the case then her report would hardly have been cited repeatedly (and in an approving manner) by the more recent EHRC offering. Its not being exactly what some right wingers wanted to hear on the topic isn't necessarily the same thing...... For the record I have never been a huge fan of hers going back to her Liberty days (when she seemed to love the limelight just a bit *too* much) and of course I agree that giving her a peerage in the manner that the then party leadership did was utterly horrendous optics, and all too likely to lead to the conclusion highlighted above Perhaps I should have clarified that while objectively she was respected by a number of people across the spectrum, that didn't ever include me |
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Post by tonyhill on Mar 21, 2021 13:25:45 GMT
You amaze me!
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Post by thirdchill on Mar 21, 2021 14:41:10 GMT
The question is where, if anywhere, the Brexit vote will go, and whether any of the non- LabCon candidates get any traction or not They will definitely get some of it, possibly due to a 'not the two main parties' vote rather than Brexit specifically. If one of those parties begins to stands out, then they may get above 5%. Am going for labour hold here, don't see the conservatives closing the gap enough to win. I suspect the swing between the main two parties may end up being quite small. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Mar 21, 2021 15:04:38 GMT
Yes Torys would need Lab to Con switchers to win here rather than BXP voters which will be a lot harder
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