Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 17, 2024 23:04:41 GMT
David Cameron tried to be selected for the 1999 Kensington and Chelsea by-election Apparently Mark Francois nearly was selected for that by-election which would have been an interesting fit for that constituency. It would have been fine with him. It was fine with Alan Clark. A constituency that can put up with Alan Clark can put up with anyone. |
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Post by stb12 on Apr 17, 2024 23:06:17 GMT
Dale has certainly moved more towards the centre in recent years, and his LBC show reflects this. He has detailed his pain of losing (badly) in N Norfolk on his show on more than one occasion; though on reflection, the electorate that night probably did him a big favour. Love or loathe him, he most certainly has had an interesting media career. I don’t know if that result was any reflection on Dale at all but we saw in subsequent elections that had more favourable circumstances for the Tories how tough Norman Lamb was to beat |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 17, 2024 23:18:41 GMT
Apparently Mark Francois nearly was selected for that by-election which would have been an interesting fit for that constituency. It would have been fine with him. It was fine with Alan Clark. A constituency that can put up with Alan Clark can put up with anyone. Clarke was interesting, a gentleman, erudite and had great charm which was attractive to a broad swath of women. Francois is a know-nothing, pig-ignorant, charmless, fat slug. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Apr 19, 2024 22:17:54 GMT
David Cameron tried to be selected for the 1999 Kensington and Chelsea by-election Apparently Mark Francois nearly was selected for that by-election which would have been an interesting fit for that constituency. Let’s just say they probably wouldn’t have needed recounts in 2017 if he stood there… or, parallel universe, he wouldn’t have been as much of a rabid Brexiteer, but then again it’s highly unlikely he would have caught the mood of Kensington, being a ‘safe seat’, just as Cooper as an ardent remainer almost lost her ‘safe seat’ in 2019. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 19, 2024 22:48:12 GMT
Apparently Mark Francois nearly was selected for that by-election which would have been an interesting fit for that constituency. Let’s just say they probably wouldn’t have needed recounts in 2017 if he stood there… or, parallel universe, he wouldn’t have been as much of a rabid Brexiteer, but then again it’s highly unlikely he would have caught the mood of Kensington, being a ‘safe seat’, just as Cooper as an ardent remainer almost lost her ‘safe seat’ in 2019. He couldn't have stood there in 2017 as the constituency was abolished in 2010. He might well have been adopted for the new Kensington constituency, of course. This is not a pedantic point. |
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 19, 2024 23:22:32 GMT
Apparently Mark Francois nearly was selected for that by-election which would have been an interesting fit for that constituency. Let’s just say they probably wouldn’t have needed recounts in 2017 if he stood there… or, parallel universe, he wouldn’t have been as much of a rabid Brexiteer, but then again it’s highly unlikely he would have caught the mood of Kensington, being a ‘safe seat’, just as Cooper as an ardent remainer almost lost her ‘safe seat’ in 2019. This is an interesting debate, do MPs within parties self sort into the appropriate constituencies that align with their factional views, or do they go for any seat and have their views shaped accordingly. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 20, 2024 0:18:23 GMT
Let’s just say they probably wouldn’t have needed recounts in 2017 if he stood there… or, parallel universe, he wouldn’t have been as much of a rabid Brexiteer, but then again it’s highly unlikely he would have caught the mood of Kensington, being a ‘safe seat’, just as Cooper as an ardent remainer almost lost her ‘safe seat’ in 2019. This is an interesting debate, do MPs within parties self sort into the appropriate constituencies that align with their factional views, or do they go for any seat and have their views shaped accordingly. Well, Lembit Opik was known for being very anti fox hunting when he was based around Newcastle-u-T, but became pro hunting when he was selected for rural Montgomeryshire. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 20, 2024 0:28:35 GMT
This is an interesting debate, do MPs within parties self sort into the appropriate constituencies that align with their factional views, or do they go for any seat and have their views shaped accordingly. Well, Lembit Opik was known for being very anti fox hunting when he was based around Newcastle-u-T, but became pro hunting when he was selected for rural Montgomeryshire. Which Newcastle? On Tyne Under Lyme Under Trent Under Thames? |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 20, 2024 3:48:17 GMT
Well, Lembit Opik was known for being very anti fox hunting when he was based around Newcastle-u-T, but became pro hunting when he was selected for rural Montgomeryshire. Which Newcastle? On Tyne Under Lyme Under Trent Under Thames? Tyne. He was a councillor there. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 20, 2024 8:00:26 GMT
Let’s just say they probably wouldn’t have needed recounts in 2017 if he stood there… or, parallel universe, he wouldn’t have been as much of a rabid Brexiteer, but then again it’s highly unlikely he would have caught the mood of Kensington, being a ‘safe seat’, just as Cooper as an ardent remainer almost lost her ‘safe seat’ in 2019. This is an interesting debate, do MPs within parties self sort into the appropriate constituencies that align with their factional views, or do they go for any seat and have their views shaped accordingly. This is much more chance and opportunity than determinism and careful selection. Conservative hopefuls looked for a seat that would take them, was winnable and holdable; roughly in that order of certitude. Being a character fit, a policy fit and a demographics fit were regarded as a bit of a bonus. Some candidates would indeed be moulded by demographics, constituency officers and the members into a clone of their views and aspirations. Other would plough a personal furrow and hope to gain respect and conversions to their own way of thinking. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 20, 2024 11:39:24 GMT
Well, Lembit Opik was known for being very anti fox hunting when he was based around Newcastle-u-T, but became pro hunting when he was selected for rural Montgomeryshire. Which Newcastle? On Tyne Under Lyme Under Trent Under Thames? upon Tyne Well. that's what wikipedia calls it. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 20, 2024 11:45:30 GMT
And it is the correct name - you see Newcastle-on-Tyne quite often, but that is still wrong.
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