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Post by finsobruce on Mar 3, 2021 15:58:22 GMT
And came reasonably close to becoming an MP when he stood for Burton back in the 1974 GEs. The Labour candidate for Burton in 1951 was a certain John Stonehouse. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 3, 2021 16:02:26 GMT
Sharon Atkin (who would have won Nottingham East for Labour in 1987 had she not been suspended as a candidate) Would she have won, though? After all Labour didn't actually win it in that election, and had she remained candidate the "LOONY LEFT" barrage against her from the Tories and their captive media would have been truly colossal. Given the climate of that time, the likelihood must be that she would have lost - and possibly heavily. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 3, 2021 17:39:03 GMT
The original Tory candidate for Stretford & Urmston in 2010 was one Mark Versallion.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 3, 2021 17:41:58 GMT
The original Tory candidate for Stretford & Urmston in 2010 was one Mark Versallion. Well, that's a safe Labour seat so he certainly wouldn't have been elected there! |
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Post by heslingtonian on Mar 3, 2021 17:42:34 GMT
The original Tory candidate for Stretford & Urmston in 2010 was one Mark Versallion. Yes, but he was never going to get elected in that seat. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 3, 2021 17:50:44 GMT
The original Tory candidate for Stretford & Urmston in 2010 was one Mark Versallion. Yes, but he was never going to get elected in that seat. He wasn't, but it seemed comparatively unusual for a candidate to be replaced (especially after a couple of years as PPC). |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 3, 2021 17:52:58 GMT
Yes, but he was never going to get elected in that seat. He wasn't, but it seemed comparatively unusual for a candidate to be replaced (especially after a couple of years as PPC). He was based down south and I think he said he just didn't have the time to visit the constituency - given its a safe Labour seat he knew he wasn't going to get in and I think he probably decided his work and family were more important |
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Post by heslingtonian on Mar 3, 2021 17:54:47 GMT
He wasn't, but it seemed comparatively unusual for a candidate to be replaced (especially after a couple of years as PPC). He was based down south and I think he said he just didn't have the time to visit the constituency - given its a safe Labour seat he knew he wasn't going to get in and I think he probably decided his work and family were more important I think he was a councillor in Harrow at the time and now is a councillor in Bedfordshire |
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Post by iang on Mar 3, 2021 18:41:42 GMT
"The Strange Re-birth of Liberal England" was by David Walter. Stuart Mole wrote a book with David Steel. Is Tony Greaves still a secondhand book dealer? If so he's probably got copies of both of them. I don't. There was also a book by Ian Bradley called "The strange re-birth of Liberal Britain" which I still have on my shelves. Ian Bradley was / is a Church of Scotland minister who has written a whole range of books, on Victorian history, Celtic spirituality, hymns, one of the early "as it was happening" histories of the SDP. He wrote a good book on evangelicalism in Victorian Britain, which I think was based on his Ph.D. thesis |
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 3, 2021 18:55:59 GMT
People who came within 50 votes of being an MP since 1945 but never made it 38 votes: Peter Le Bosquet (Conservative, Bury and Radcliffe, 1979). Runs furniture businesses. I'm no Tory but one has to feel sorry for him, or he was a particularly poor candidate, or the incumbent was outstanding, as the majority going into the election was just 442 so surely he should have been a shoo-in to be elected given Mrs Thatcher's landslide victory? There must be two people with that (rather rare, French?) name - a quick search has one come up as a (probably now former) manager at Nottingham Trent Students' Union and something to do with the East Midlands Conservatives, and the other a company director from Kent born 1958 (which would have made him just 21 in 1979?), and a Conservative candidate in Doncaster South, sorry, 'Don Valley' in both 1974 elections (which makes it even less likely to be the 1958-born one!). Less close, but the late Derek Boden was a Councillor for Whitefield and stood in the successor Bury South in '83 and '87, losing by a couple of thousand but I heard he was a popular Councillor, later council leader and got an OBE. A woman called Hazel Blears was then selected in 1992 and lost by 788 but went on to higher things in nearby Salford... |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 3, 2021 19:14:37 GMT
People who came within 50 votes of being an MP since 1945 but never made it 38 votes: Peter Le Bosquet (Conservative, Bury and Radcliffe, 1979). Runs furniture businesses. I'm no Tory but one has to feel sorry for him, or he was a particularly poor candidate, or the incumbent was outstanding, as the majority going into the election was just 442 so surely he should have been a shoo-in to be elected given Mrs Thatcher's landslide victory? I think the Liberal vote is the significant factor here. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 3, 2021 23:38:09 GMT
I'm no Tory but one has to feel sorry for him, or he was a particularly poor candidate, or the incumbent was outstanding, as the majority going into the election was just 442 so surely he should have been a shoo-in to be elected given Mrs Thatcher's landslide victory? I think the Liberal vote is the significant factor here. True, but their vote was halved from '74, but the Labour incumbent actually managed to gain votes unlike the national picture. Funny how it would have been the Tories who must have been annoyed at the Liberals for potentially denying them the seat, fast forward to 2019 and it is Labour who would be annoyed at them for taking away votes (while getting a derisory, deposit-losing tally at that), costing them both Bury North and South, and many other places. I can't think of examples in 2019 where the Labour incumbent managed to increase vote share/votes while having their majority reduced, in the wake of a Tory landslide a la 1979. This of course happened quite a bit (but few cared to notice) in 2017 in Bishop Auckland, Bolsover, etc... but then the nationwide swing was anti-Tory. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 3:56:53 GMT
I think the Liberal vote is the significant factor here. True, but their vote was halved from '74, but the Labour incumbent actually managed to gain votes unlike the national picture. Funny how it would have been the Tories who must have been annoyed at the Liberals for potentially denying them the seat, fast forward to 2019 and it is Labour who would be annoyed at them for taking away votes (while getting a derisory, deposit-losing tally at that), costing them both Bury North and South, and many other places. I can't think of examples in 2019 where the Labour incumbent managed to increase vote share/votes while having their majority reduced, in the wake of a Tory landslide a la 1979. This of course happened quite a bit (but few cared to notice) in 2017 in Bishop Auckland, Bolsover, etc... but then the nationwide swing was anti-Tory. There don't appear to be any. To be honest there are very few where Labour increased their vote share at all, although there are a couple where Labour's vote share fell but their majority increased |
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 4, 2021 14:43:19 GMT
True, but their vote was halved from '74, but the Labour incumbent actually managed to gain votes unlike the national picture. Funny how it would have been the Tories who must have been annoyed at the Liberals for potentially denying them the seat, fast forward to 2019 and it is Labour who would be annoyed at them for taking away votes (while getting a derisory, deposit-losing tally at that), costing them both Bury North and South, and many other places. I can't think of examples in 2019 where the Labour incumbent managed to increase vote share/votes while having their majority reduced, in the wake of a Tory landslide a la 1979. This of course happened quite a bit (but few cared to notice) in 2017 in Bishop Auckland, Bolsover, etc... but then the nationwide swing was anti-Tory. There don't appear to be any. To be honest there are very few where Labour increased their vote share at all, although there are a couple where Labour's vote share fell but their majority increased I can only assume most of these are in London where a third-placed LD would have taken many votes and the second-placed conservative would also have declined? |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 5, 2021 18:32:09 GMT
Stephan Shakespeare, who wend on to become co-founder of YouGov, was 1551 votes off winning Colchester for the Conservatives in 1997. If he had won it it's possible that one of today's major pollsters wouldn't exist.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 5, 2021 18:58:06 GMT
Stephan Shakespeare, who wend on to become co-founder of YouGov, was 1551 votes off winning Colchester for the Conservatives in 1997. If he had won it it's possible that one of today's major pollsters wouldn't exist. All's well that Ends Well then. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 5, 2021 21:45:48 GMT
It was much ado about nothing As you like it. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 5, 2021 21:59:40 GMT
Well even if not invariably true it is accurate measure for measure That could be a Double Falsehood. |
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Post by grahammurray on Mar 5, 2021 22:39:04 GMT
According to who? Your noble kinsmen? Whom. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 5, 2021 23:13:01 GMT
According to who? Your noble kinsmen? Venus and Adonis *
* no, not that one.
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