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Post by finsobruce on Sept 8, 2021 14:39:29 GMT
Ah, Reginald Simmerson. Multiple by election candidate and Conservative/Ind Conservative councillor for the Avonmore ward of Hammersmith & Fulham council 1968-74.
Initially de-selected for the 1971 elections, he disputed the result , but got back onto the ballot when one of the two selected candidates died a few weeks before polling day. He had also unsuccessfully challenged for the chairmanship of the local Association.
However....in August of the same year he was expelled from the local Conservative Association for standing against the official Conservative candidate in the Greenwich by-election, and carried on standing in by elections as a Democratic Conservative opposed to immigration and the Common Market.
In 1974 he polled 65 votes in the Avonmore ward as a "Powellite Conservative".
His wife was a character too by all accounts, I seem to remember her standing in Chiswick Homefields ward of LB of Hounslow. campaignforanindependentbritain.org.uk/betty-simmerson-rip/it has to be said, that is a great write up. |
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 8, 2021 14:48:00 GMT
I remember the Southend East by election as much was made of the fact that Teddy Taylor had lost his seat in Scotland and was trying to re-enter parliament. And yet I don't think I was even aware of the South West Herts by-election 3 months earlier, except that it might have earned me a day off school.. A disappointing Liberal performance. David Steel subdued on the wireless. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 8, 2021 14:49:44 GMT
Ah, Reginald Simmerson. Multiple by election candidate and Conservative/Ind Conservative councillor for the Avonmore ward of Hammersmith & Fulham council 1968-74.
Initially de-selected for the 1971 elections, he disputed the result , but got back onto the ballot when one of the two selected candidates died a few weeks before polling day. He had also unsuccessfully challenged for the chairmanship of the local Association.
However....in August of the same year he was expelled from the local Conservative Association for standing against the official Conservative candidate in the Greenwich by-election, and carried on standing in by elections as a Democratic Conservative opposed to immigration and the Common Market.
In 1974 he polled 65 votes in the Avonmore ward as a "Powellite Conservative".
His wife was a character too by all accounts, I seem to remember her standing in Chiswick Homefields ward of LB of Hounslow. campaignforanindependentbritain.org.uk/betty-simmerson-rip/The Simmersons both stood in that ward in 1982 polling 24 votes (Betty) and 23 votes (Reg) respectively. There was another 'celebrity' candidate in the same ward, Humphrey Berkeley who polled 565 votes for the SDP/Liberal Alliance. |
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 8, 2021 14:59:42 GMT
The Simmersons both stood in that ward in 1982 polling 24 votes (Betty) and 23 votes (Reg) respectively. There was another 'celebrity' candidate in the same ward, Humphrey Berkeley who polled 565 votes for the SDP/Liberal Alliance. Humphrey Berkeley Con to Lab to SDP and then back to Lab or did he stay with the Lib Dems? I read a scurrilous piece that he preferred black men (it was written years ago) and also that he and Barbara Castle 'scandalised' the HoC by dining together! |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 8, 2021 15:04:59 GMT
The Simmersons both stood in that ward in 1982 polling 24 votes (Betty) and 23 votes (Reg) respectively. There was another 'celebrity' candidate in the same ward, Humphrey Berkeley who polled 565 votes for the SDP/Liberal Alliance. Humphrey Berkeley Con to Lab to SDP and then back to Lab or did he stay with the Lib Dems? I read a scurrilous piece that he preferred black men (it was written years ago) and also that he and Barbara Castle 'scandalised' the HoC by dining together! He re-joined Labour in 1988 iirc. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 15:08:55 GMT
"...and that is all we have to say about Welsh boundary change proposals."
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Post by andrewp on Sept 8, 2021 15:28:01 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 8, 2021 15:31:09 GMT
The first reply to that Tweet belongs in the amazing stupidity thread for several reasons.. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 8, 2021 15:44:08 GMT
"...and that is all we have to say about Welsh boundary change proposals." I think the main thing is that they're broadly not too bad. They've done the obvious right thing with Monmouthshire and Torfaen, the Vale of Glamorgan, and (with the obvious exception of one ward) Dyfed. Their Blaenau Gwent's good too. This then results in a vaguely sane series of choices across the south. There are things I really dislike (putting Bridgend and Porthcawl in separate constituencies is horrible; and I'd like to try to get Briton Ferry into Neath rather than Aberavon) and there are some choices I disagree with where there are orphan wards, but in general it's not bad. It's also really good that they have kept Montgomeryshire in one piece, even though combining this with a hilariously bad version of the save-Dwyfor-Meirionnydd and sod the Vale of Clwyd Plaidimander has wrought havoc across North Wales. Hopefully both us and Labour make a counterproposal that keeps a constituency whose core is Arfon instead (i.e. one where Labour can give the separatists a run for their money). |
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 8, 2021 15:50:39 GMT
The first reply to that Tweet belongs in the amazing stupidity thread for several reasons.. I've read his Tweet umpteen times and still no wiser. When he uploads his promised notionals all may be revealed...or not. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 8, 2021 16:29:23 GMT
"...and that is all we have to say about Welsh boundary change proposals." I think the main thing is that they're broadly not too bad. They've done the obvious right thing with Monmouthshire and Torfaen, the Vale of Glamorgan, and (with the obvious exception of one ward) Dyfed. Their Blaenau Gwent's good too. This then results in a vaguely sane series of choices across the south. There are things I really dislike (putting Bridgend and Porthcawl in separate constituencies is horrible; and I'd like to try to get Briton Ferry into Neath rather than Aberavon) and there are some choices I disagree with where there are orphan wards, but in general it's not bad. It's also really good that they have kept Montgomeryshire in one piece, even though combining this with a hilariously bad version of the save-Dwyfor-Meirionnydd and sod the Vale of Clwyd Plaidimander has wrought havoc across North Wales. Hopefully both us and Labour make a counterproposal that keeps a constituency whose core is Arfon instead (i.e. one where Labour can give the separatists a run for their money). With a ‘ broadly sensible’ set of proposals ie not ridiculous gerrymanders, do you have a view on what’s the minimum and maximum number of notional Plaid seats that it’s possible to draw? Is it 1-3? |
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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 8, 2021 16:31:52 GMT
My only real objection to the Aberconwy seat is the inclusion of Rhos-on-Sea and Mochdre, not that I'm opposed to having them in the seat per se, but as others have said those two divisions really would be better off going wherever Colwyn Bay goes. Additionally, I feel that Pentir division would probably be better off being kept with Bangor, in whatever seat that settlement winds up in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 17:22:50 GMT
"...and that is all we have to say about Welsh boundary change proposals." I think the main thing is that they're broadly not too bad. They've done the obvious right thing with Monmouthshire and Torfaen, the Vale of Glamorgan, and (with the obvious exception of one ward) Dyfed. Their Blaenau Gwent's good too. This then results in a vaguely sane series of choices across the south. There are things I really dislike (putting Bridgend and Porthcawl in separate constituencies is horrible; and I'd like to try to get Briton Ferry into Neath rather than Aberavon) and there are some choices I disagree with where there are orphan wards, but in general it's not bad. It's also really good that they have kept Montgomeryshire in one piece, even though combining this with a hilariously bad version of the save-Dwyfor-Meirionnydd and sod the Vale of Clwyd Plaidimander has wrought havoc across North Wales. Hopefully both us and Labour make a counterproposal that keeps a constituency whose core is Arfon instead (i.e. one where Labour can give the separatists a run for their money). You can definitely see the "work" in North Wales by the strange angle all the Clywd seats are tilted by. |
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Post by islington on Sept 8, 2021 18:07:57 GMT
My only real objection to the Aberconwy seat is the inclusion of Rhos-on-Sea and Mochdre, not that I'm opposed to having them in the seat per se, but as others have said those two divisions really would be better off going wherever Colwyn Bay goes. Additionally, I feel that Pentir division would probably be better off being kept with Bangor, in whatever seat that settlement winds up in. I'm not at all a North Wales person so this post may be total nonsense, but would the map below meet any of the concerns that have been expressed in this area? If nothing else, it's certainly more respectful of LA boundaries than the BCW scheme.
The starting-point is the realization that the former counties of Merioneth and Montgomery, taken together, and with a few adjustments at the margins to fit current boundaries, are the right size for a seat. But there may be some very good reason why these two areas should never, ever, not until hell freezes over and probably not even then, be yoked together; in which case the whole thing falls to the ground.
But it must be said that with the M&M seat in place, everything else seemed to fit together quite well.
 Caernarvon - 76022. Conwy - 74719. Denbigh - 74078. North Flintshire - 71112. South Flintshire - 73450.
Merioneth and Montgomery - 76128. (Maybe some kind person would help me with the Welsh.) Wrexham - 70919.
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 8, 2021 18:15:35 GMT
My only real objection to the Aberconwy seat is the inclusion of Rhos-on-Sea and Mochdre, not that I'm opposed to having them in the seat per se, but as others have said those two divisions really would be better off going wherever Colwyn Bay goes. Additionally, I feel that Pentir division would probably be better off being kept with Bangor, in whatever seat that settlement winds up in. I'm not at all a North Wales person so this post may be total nonsense, but would the map below meet any of the concerns that have been expressed in this area? If nothing else, it's certainly more respectful of LA boundaries than the BCW scheme.
The starting-point is the realization that the former counties of Merioneth and Montgomery, taken together, and with a few adjustments at the margins to fit current boundaries, are the right size for a seat. But there may be some very good reason why these two areas should never, ever, not until hell freezes over and probably not even then, be yoked together; I would not go nearly so far but there would certainly be representations that do! ah, that's kind of stepping into it, isn't it? Naming it in Welsh is just going to ensure that these representations double in number and are evenly spread geographically.[/div][/quote] |
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Post by cibwr on Sept 8, 2021 18:33:28 GMT
The Aberavon constituency used to contain Porthcawl, so this makes sense. I am sure there is a better way of dividing Cardiff up though.
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Post by YL on Sept 8, 2021 18:44:34 GMT
Merioneth and Montgomery - 76128. (Maybe some kind person would help me with the Welsh.) Well, for some reason they tend not to use "a" or "ac" (the Welsh for "and"; which is used depends on what comes next, and what comes next may itself get mutated) in names which are meant for use in English as well: Dwyfor Meirionnydd (and the former Meirionnydd Nant Conwy), Ceredigion Preseli, Aberafan Porthcawl. They do use them in the Welsh alternative names for seats named in English: Merthyr Tudful ac Aberdâr, Gorllewin Casnewydd a Chaerffili. So I guess it would be "Meirionnydd Maldwyn", or perhaps the other way round. |
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Post by justin124 on Sept 8, 2021 18:50:22 GMT
I insist on referring to Llanelly and refuse to be browbeaten by the Welsh language brigade. Ditto Cardiganshire and Caernarvon.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 8, 2021 19:01:05 GMT
If you insist on calling the town and/or constituency “Llanelly” over “Llanelli” you’ll untie Welsh and English speakers alike in thinking you’re a little bit special. 😛
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Post by rcronald on Sept 8, 2021 19:12:18 GMT
The first reply to that Tweet belongs in the amazing stupidity thread for several reasons.. the 3rd commentator should be awarded the partisan hack of day! |
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