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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2021 22:06:13 GMT
Predictable from the Nat onal grievance monkeys.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 13, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
“Slash” LOL
Wast the fact that the number would be reduced from 59 to 57 announced ages ago, or does the Nat literally print what SNP High Command tell them to?
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Post by greyfriar on Oct 13, 2021 22:39:46 GMT
Predictable from the Nat onal grievance monkeys. Utterly puerile, it’s almost a parody.
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Post by aidanthomson on Oct 13, 2021 23:03:17 GMT
And it's up. First piece of news: DCT has survived the cut.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 13, 2021 23:23:36 GMT
Predictable from the Nat onal grievance monkeys.
Bloody idiots. Truthful headline would be: Scots refuse to breed as fast as English.
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Post by aidanthomson on Oct 13, 2021 23:24:06 GMT
The West Dunbartonshire question is solved by taking in a bit of Glasgow around Yoker.
East Dunbartonshire gets Kilsyth, and Kirkintilloch goes in with Cumbernauld.
Glasgow has a cross-river seat that includes Springburn and the Gorbals.
Coatbridge and Airdrie remain in separate seats! They've managed to avoid splitting Hamilton, Motherwell and Wishaw, by extending Hamilton into Lanark and Motherwell and Wishaw into Carluke.
Paisley remains split north-south, not east-west.
Ayrshire is unchanged, seemingly. Further south, Dumfries isn't split any more, which is good.
Musselburgh is split and the western part moved into Edinburgh East. Edinburgh itself is mostly unchanged, except around Prestonfield and Craigleith.
Clackmannan has been has not been split. The historic Kinross-shire bits around Crook of Devon are now in with Dunfermline, and the rest is linked across the Forth with Denny and Stenhousemuir. Kinross itself goes in with Glenrothes. (Edit: Crook of Devon is in Kinross-shire currently, not just historically. Clackmannan is undivided.)
Coastal strip seats for Dundee West (+ Carse of Gowrie) and East (+ Arbroath).
Two seats for the whole of Aberdeen city.
Gordon takes in (imbibes?) Dufftown and Aberlour. Banff & Buchan takes in Buckie and Keith. Rest of Moray takes in Nairn, Badenoch, right up to Inverness Airport.
The Caithness seat goes as far south as Torridon on the west coast, and also takes some territory south west of Inverness around Kiltarlity. I think they did that in one of the zombie reviews as well.
I'll look at these more closely tomorrow. First impressions: they've gone for minimum change as much as possible, and not worried too much about splitting wards unnecessarily. Plenty of surprises - but that's par for the course for the BCS's opening gambit. Quite a few ideas from the proposals upthread have made it in, and quite a few that none of us thought of.
Edit: Have just looked at the names. Kelvin North, Kelvin South, and Mid Forth Valley will not go down well!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2021 23:31:14 GMT
Some of the names look dodgy. Don't know how many people would identify with Kelvin North and Kelvin South. Why on earth 'Forth Valley South' and not just Falkirk? 'Highland Central' and 'Highland North' are unbelievably dull descriptions of wonderful places.
Mid Forth Valley looks a weak arrangement. Don't think Denny goes with Clacks.
Is Dundee East and Arbroath an attempt to create the most SNP seat imaginable?
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Post by msc on Oct 13, 2021 23:36:54 GMT
Some of the names look dodgy. Don't know how many people would identify with Kelvin North and Kelvin South. Why on earth 'Forth Valley South' and not just Falkirk? 'Highland Central' and 'Highland North' are unbelievably dull descriptions of wonderful places. Mid Forth Valley looks a weak arrangement. Don't think Denny goes with Clacks. Is Dundee East and Arbroath an attempt to create the most SNP seat imaginable? Kelvinside/dale is in the North of Glasgow, so it confused me that they're referring to Kirkintilloch and Bearsden area instead. Even if the river flows up there, obviously. My wish for a Milngavie and X constituency name to see folk struggling to pronounce it on election night remains unfulfilled...
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 13, 2021 23:37:37 GMT
Mid Forth Valley looks a weak arrangement. Don't think Denny goes with Clacks. I can't see any seat working crossing the Forth downstream of Stirling.
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Post by greyfriar on Oct 13, 2021 23:45:11 GMT
Moray looks like the standout ridiculous proposition, instead of remaining consistent with local authority boundaries and remaining within the electoral size, instead it would cede most of its geographical territory to Aberdeenshire seats and annexe vast tracts of Highland in return. The ultimate collateral solution to arithmetical problems in adjacent areas.
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Post by aidanthomson on Oct 14, 2021 0:03:45 GMT
Some of the names look dodgy. Don't know how many people would identify with Kelvin North and Kelvin South. Why on earth 'Forth Valley South' and not just Falkirk? 'Highland Central' and 'Highland North' are unbelievably dull descriptions of wonderful places. Mid Forth Valley looks a weak arrangement. Don't think Denny goes with Clacks. Is Dundee East and Arbroath an attempt to create the most SNP seat imaginable? Kelvinside/dale is in the North of Glasgow, so it confused me that they're referring to Kirkintilloch and Bearsden area instead. Even if the river flows up there, obviously. My wish for a Milngavie and X constituency name to see folk struggling to pronounce it on election night remains unfulfilled... If they want to avoid county names, I'd suggest 'Campsie' for Milngavie/Bearsden/Bishopbriggs/Kilsyth, and possibly 'Strathkelvin' for Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch (though I'd prefer 'Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch'). If you want an unpronounceable name, 'Milngavie and Queenzieburn' would cater for both ends of the seat. I agree about the Highland seats' names. 'Caithness, Sutherland and Ross-shire' and 'Inverness and Skye' would both be shorter than currently. I don't have a problem with a cross-Forth seat if the alternative is splitting Stirling (both the LA and the town), but splitting Denny from Bonnybridge isn't good - maybe swap Denny for Grangemouth if the numbers work.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2021 0:23:57 GMT
The Dundee West seat is stupid. It goes all the way up to, and includes, the Kinnoull Hill Watchtower. 🤨 So, Longforgan, Inchture, Errol, St. Madoes, Kinfauns and Walnut Grove will all be in the same seat as the Hilltown, Kirkton and Stobswell? Madness. Dundee East is just as bad going all the way up to Lunan. They're nearly making Angus landlocked. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by bjornhattan on Oct 14, 2021 2:24:10 GMT
The Dundee West seat is stupid. It goes all the way up to, and includes, the Kinnoull Hill Watchtower. 🤨 So, Longforgan, Inchture, Errol, St. Madoes, Kinfauns and Walnut Grove will all be in the same seat as the Hilltown, Kirkton and Stobswell? Madness. Dundee East is just as bad going all the way up to Lunan. They're nearly making Angus landlocked. 🤦🏻♂️ Based on community ties, Dundee East and Arbroath does seem somewhat sensible (especially if the Dundee East part of that is limited to Broughty Ferry and a few estates in that part of town). But I'm surprised they haven't gone for a Dundee City seat and then a seat combining some Dundee wards with surrounding rural areas - not having any constituency purely composed of Dundee seems very odd.
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 14, 2021 6:03:25 GMT
The pdf map document only shows the Central Belt and frankly not all of that and the pdf doc explaining what they did is redonkulously sparse. The BCS is surely no advert for Independence.
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Post by aidanthomson on Oct 14, 2021 6:44:48 GMT
The pdf map document only shows the Central Belt and frankly not all of that and the pdf doc explaining what they did is redonkulously sparse. The BCS is surely no advert for Independence. I can't see any figures for individual parts of wards that are split between seats. The BCS have provided spreadsheets in the past, but haven't done so here - not yet, anyway. Let's hope they do. They also don't have any reference to electorates of individual postcodes, which are their preferred means of splitting a ward, or to any means of mapping this via GIS. Again, one hope that they will provide this soon, otherwise the consultation process will be pretty meaningless.
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Post by YL on Oct 14, 2021 7:09:50 GMT
Well, people on here like to complain about the BCS's names.
"East Lothian Coast": why add "Coast"? The inland bit is all still there. "Forth Valley South": what did Falkirk do wrong? "Mid Forth Valley": ugh, this is not a good seat, though perhaps all the alternatives were poor as well, but surely there's a better name? "Highland North" and "Highland Central": already discussed. "Hamilton & Clyde Valley": how does "Clyde Valley" differ from "Clydesdale", and why not call it "Hamilton & Lanark"?
As for the actual boundaries, other than "Mid Forth Valley", Dundee seems the most problematic at a first glance, but I haven't looked at all the details.
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Post by YL on Oct 14, 2021 7:11:49 GMT
Moray looks like the standout ridiculous proposition, instead of remaining consistent with local authority boundaries and remaining within the electoral size, instead it would cede most of its geographical territory to Aberdeenshire seats and annexe vast tracts of Highland in return. The ultimate collateral solution to arithmetical problems in adjacent areas. You might be able to persuade me otherwise, but I think that in this case the alternatives are genuinely worse.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 14, 2021 7:15:51 GMT
Predictable from the Nat onal grievance monkeys. Changes on 2019: England +10 (+1.8%), Northern Ireland unchanged (0%), Scotland -2 (-3.9%), Wales -8 (-20%) Where was the Western Mail headline saying "Westminster plans to SLASH Welsh MP's"?
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 14, 2021 7:55:23 GMT
Where was the Western Mail headline saying "Westminster plans to SLASH Welsh MP's"? The Western Mail is a respectable paper - all be it with a minuscule print run.
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Post by MacShimidh on Oct 14, 2021 8:21:03 GMT
A quick glance at the Glasgow seats:
Glasgow South looks the least changed, with the biggest difference being the addition of Toryglen.
Glasgow East similarly hasn’t been changed much although it’s lost some areas around the city centre.
Glasgow South West has lost Cardonald to Renfrew North, although it has been compensated by gaining a big chunk of the southern riverfront all the way up to Bridge Street.
Glasgow North West has been renamed to Glasgow West, but beyond gaining some of the poshest parts of the West End it really hasn’t changed much.
Glasgow North loses that section of the West End, but gains most of the city centre and the most deprived parts of the city around Possilpark.
Glasgow Central is the biggest change and it looks really incongruous. It contains only a small part of the city centre and straddles both sides of the Clyde from Govanhill up to Robroyston. In theory that would pit Anne McLaughlin and Alison Thewliss up against each other, but I would expect one of them to decamp to Glasgow North and take on Patrick Grady instead.
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